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What is the chair depicted in Cesare Maccari's 1889 painting “Cicerone denuncia Catilina”?



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There are a number of inaccuracies in Cesare Maccari's painting. Wikipedia notes that the arrangement of the chairs was of parallel rather than radial as depicted. Did Maccari accurately depict the shape of the chairs of the senate of Republican Rome? And, regardless of their accuracy, what are the chairs called that are depicted here?










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    There are a number of inaccuracies in Cesare Maccari's painting. Wikipedia notes that the arrangement of the chairs was of parallel rather than radial as depicted. Did Maccari accurately depict the shape of the chairs of the senate of Republican Rome? And, regardless of their accuracy, what are the chairs called that are depicted here?










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          The chairs are called curule chairs.



          This painting is a romantic painting. It is anything but accurate. What it shows is how Victorians thought or would like it to be. Roman senators brought their own curule chairs to the meetings of the senate. Or more accurate: their servants brought them.



          Compare a curule chair with those on the painting. Vastly different. Reason for the shape of this type of chair is the toga. You can't sit properly in a normal chair wearing a toga. It would crumple and look bad. In a curule chair you have to sit upright, which shows the toga in its proper folds.



          Today on toga parties people usually wear bed sheets wrapped around them. That's not a toga. A toga is a long garment, about 6 meters long, with rounded edges on one side. You have to properly wear it, and it takes time to dress up in one. Only Roman citizens were allowed to wear them, and they only wore them on special occasions, as we would wear a smoking. (Which is far more comfortable to wear.) Roman senators would wear them very often, most other people only on formal occasions. You wouldn't wear underwear with a toga, as going to the toilet would be next to impossible. A tunica was often worn under it. (Cato the Younger was notable for wearing nothing under his toga. He did it out of nostalgia, and it was frowned upon.)




          • https://www.wikihow.com/Make-an-Authentic-Roman-Toga


          Senators sat in U shaped rows (front, left, right) to the speaker, in order of seniority. What you do not see is the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laticlave, the broad purple stripe on the toga and tunic that only senators were allowed to wear. Senators wore a broad stripe, knights (equites) would wear a narrow stripe.




          • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angusticlavia


          The wikipedia article about roman senators shows the picture you asked your question about, with this remark:




          It is worth noting that idealistic medieval and subsequent artistic depictions of the Senate in session are almost uniformly inaccurate.







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            According to the article Seating Space in the Roman Senate and the Senatores Pedarii by Lily Ross Taylor and Russell T. Scott in Transactions and Proceedings of the American Philological Association
            Vol. 100 (1969)
            , Roman senators sat on benches. The authors provide this description of the interior:




            The interior is 25.63 X I7.73 meters with an entrance from the
            Comitium about 4 meters wide. The central aisle measures 5.40 meters
            in width and about 2I meters in length from the door at one end to the
            raised suggestus at the other, and is covered, except for reserved
            areas 2 meters long at either end, by a marble intaglio pavement. On
            either side of it, running back to the lateral walls of the building,
            are three stepped platforms, each approximately I9 meters long, the
            two lower each m. i.8o wide, the upper on the right of the entrance m.
            2.05 wide, that on the left m. 2.58 wide. On these platforms must have been the portable seats for the senators that Von Gerkan, Bartoc-
            cini, and Bartoli all assumed to have been chairs. But in the Republic
            and, as far as we know, in the Empire too, the senators regularly sat
            on benches, subsellia.




            The use of curule chairs was a privilege generally reserved for consuls:




            Cicero's position as presiding consul was in a curule chair on a
            tribunal at the other end of a central aisle. Frequently the consul in
            charge was accompanied by his colleague who was also in a curule
            chair; if both consuls were absent, the urban praetor would have
            occupied the curule chair.




            Source: Taylor & Scott



            In a footnote (13) to the above, the authors add:




            Caesar, like Augustus and his successors, was permitted to have a
            curule chair between those of the two consuls (Dio 43.14.5). Claudius
            in senatorial trials sometimes left his curule chair and sat with the
            senators (Dio 60.I6.31).




            I do not know what the seating actually depicted is called (some kind of pew?) but the curule seat or chair is not depicted in Cesare Maccari's painting. The Wikipedia article has this depiction:



            enter image description here



            Curule chair, sella curulis, Museo Borbonico, vol. vi. tav. 28. Source



            The late republic / early empire funerary relief below shows a curule chair.



            enter image description here



            Funerary relief representing a curule chair. Marble, Roman artwork, 50 BC–50 CE. From the Torre Gaia at Via Casilina (Rome). Attrib/source: Palazzo Massimo alle Terme [Public domain]






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              The chairs are called curule chairs.



              This painting is a romantic painting. It is anything but accurate. What it shows is how Victorians thought or would like it to be. Roman senators brought their own curule chairs to the meetings of the senate. Or more accurate: their servants brought them.



              Compare a curule chair with those on the painting. Vastly different. Reason for the shape of this type of chair is the toga. You can't sit properly in a normal chair wearing a toga. It would crumple and look bad. In a curule chair you have to sit upright, which shows the toga in its proper folds.



              Today on toga parties people usually wear bed sheets wrapped around them. That's not a toga. A toga is a long garment, about 6 meters long, with rounded edges on one side. You have to properly wear it, and it takes time to dress up in one. Only Roman citizens were allowed to wear them, and they only wore them on special occasions, as we would wear a smoking. (Which is far more comfortable to wear.) Roman senators would wear them very often, most other people only on formal occasions. You wouldn't wear underwear with a toga, as going to the toilet would be next to impossible. A tunica was often worn under it. (Cato the Younger was notable for wearing nothing under his toga. He did it out of nostalgia, and it was frowned upon.)




              • https://www.wikihow.com/Make-an-Authentic-Roman-Toga


              Senators sat in U shaped rows (front, left, right) to the speaker, in order of seniority. What you do not see is the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laticlave, the broad purple stripe on the toga and tunic that only senators were allowed to wear. Senators wore a broad stripe, knights (equites) would wear a narrow stripe.




              • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angusticlavia


              The wikipedia article about roman senators shows the picture you asked your question about, with this remark:




              It is worth noting that idealistic medieval and subsequent artistic depictions of the Senate in session are almost uniformly inaccurate.







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                The chairs are called curule chairs.



                This painting is a romantic painting. It is anything but accurate. What it shows is how Victorians thought or would like it to be. Roman senators brought their own curule chairs to the meetings of the senate. Or more accurate: their servants brought them.



                Compare a curule chair with those on the painting. Vastly different. Reason for the shape of this type of chair is the toga. You can't sit properly in a normal chair wearing a toga. It would crumple and look bad. In a curule chair you have to sit upright, which shows the toga in its proper folds.



                Today on toga parties people usually wear bed sheets wrapped around them. That's not a toga. A toga is a long garment, about 6 meters long, with rounded edges on one side. You have to properly wear it, and it takes time to dress up in one. Only Roman citizens were allowed to wear them, and they only wore them on special occasions, as we would wear a smoking. (Which is far more comfortable to wear.) Roman senators would wear them very often, most other people only on formal occasions. You wouldn't wear underwear with a toga, as going to the toilet would be next to impossible. A tunica was often worn under it. (Cato the Younger was notable for wearing nothing under his toga. He did it out of nostalgia, and it was frowned upon.)




                • https://www.wikihow.com/Make-an-Authentic-Roman-Toga


                Senators sat in U shaped rows (front, left, right) to the speaker, in order of seniority. What you do not see is the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laticlave, the broad purple stripe on the toga and tunic that only senators were allowed to wear. Senators wore a broad stripe, knights (equites) would wear a narrow stripe.




                • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angusticlavia


                The wikipedia article about roman senators shows the picture you asked your question about, with this remark:




                It is worth noting that idealistic medieval and subsequent artistic depictions of the Senate in session are almost uniformly inaccurate.







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                  The chairs are called curule chairs.



                  This painting is a romantic painting. It is anything but accurate. What it shows is how Victorians thought or would like it to be. Roman senators brought their own curule chairs to the meetings of the senate. Or more accurate: their servants brought them.



                  Compare a curule chair with those on the painting. Vastly different. Reason for the shape of this type of chair is the toga. You can't sit properly in a normal chair wearing a toga. It would crumple and look bad. In a curule chair you have to sit upright, which shows the toga in its proper folds.



                  Today on toga parties people usually wear bed sheets wrapped around them. That's not a toga. A toga is a long garment, about 6 meters long, with rounded edges on one side. You have to properly wear it, and it takes time to dress up in one. Only Roman citizens were allowed to wear them, and they only wore them on special occasions, as we would wear a smoking. (Which is far more comfortable to wear.) Roman senators would wear them very often, most other people only on formal occasions. You wouldn't wear underwear with a toga, as going to the toilet would be next to impossible. A tunica was often worn under it. (Cato the Younger was notable for wearing nothing under his toga. He did it out of nostalgia, and it was frowned upon.)




                  • https://www.wikihow.com/Make-an-Authentic-Roman-Toga


                  Senators sat in U shaped rows (front, left, right) to the speaker, in order of seniority. What you do not see is the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laticlave, the broad purple stripe on the toga and tunic that only senators were allowed to wear. Senators wore a broad stripe, knights (equites) would wear a narrow stripe.




                  • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angusticlavia


                  The wikipedia article about roman senators shows the picture you asked your question about, with this remark:




                  It is worth noting that idealistic medieval and subsequent artistic depictions of the Senate in session are almost uniformly inaccurate.







                  share|improve this answer















                  The chairs are called curule chairs.



                  This painting is a romantic painting. It is anything but accurate. What it shows is how Victorians thought or would like it to be. Roman senators brought their own curule chairs to the meetings of the senate. Or more accurate: their servants brought them.



                  Compare a curule chair with those on the painting. Vastly different. Reason for the shape of this type of chair is the toga. You can't sit properly in a normal chair wearing a toga. It would crumple and look bad. In a curule chair you have to sit upright, which shows the toga in its proper folds.



                  Today on toga parties people usually wear bed sheets wrapped around them. That's not a toga. A toga is a long garment, about 6 meters long, with rounded edges on one side. You have to properly wear it, and it takes time to dress up in one. Only Roman citizens were allowed to wear them, and they only wore them on special occasions, as we would wear a smoking. (Which is far more comfortable to wear.) Roman senators would wear them very often, most other people only on formal occasions. You wouldn't wear underwear with a toga, as going to the toilet would be next to impossible. A tunica was often worn under it. (Cato the Younger was notable for wearing nothing under his toga. He did it out of nostalgia, and it was frowned upon.)




                  • https://www.wikihow.com/Make-an-Authentic-Roman-Toga


                  Senators sat in U shaped rows (front, left, right) to the speaker, in order of seniority. What you do not see is the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laticlave, the broad purple stripe on the toga and tunic that only senators were allowed to wear. Senators wore a broad stripe, knights (equites) would wear a narrow stripe.




                  • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angusticlavia


                  The wikipedia article about roman senators shows the picture you asked your question about, with this remark:




                  It is worth noting that idealistic medieval and subsequent artistic depictions of the Senate in session are almost uniformly inaccurate.








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                      According to the article Seating Space in the Roman Senate and the Senatores Pedarii by Lily Ross Taylor and Russell T. Scott in Transactions and Proceedings of the American Philological Association
                      Vol. 100 (1969)
                      , Roman senators sat on benches. The authors provide this description of the interior:




                      The interior is 25.63 X I7.73 meters with an entrance from the
                      Comitium about 4 meters wide. The central aisle measures 5.40 meters
                      in width and about 2I meters in length from the door at one end to the
                      raised suggestus at the other, and is covered, except for reserved
                      areas 2 meters long at either end, by a marble intaglio pavement. On
                      either side of it, running back to the lateral walls of the building,
                      are three stepped platforms, each approximately I9 meters long, the
                      two lower each m. i.8o wide, the upper on the right of the entrance m.
                      2.05 wide, that on the left m. 2.58 wide. On these platforms must have been the portable seats for the senators that Von Gerkan, Bartoc-
                      cini, and Bartoli all assumed to have been chairs. But in the Republic
                      and, as far as we know, in the Empire too, the senators regularly sat
                      on benches, subsellia.




                      The use of curule chairs was a privilege generally reserved for consuls:




                      Cicero's position as presiding consul was in a curule chair on a
                      tribunal at the other end of a central aisle. Frequently the consul in
                      charge was accompanied by his colleague who was also in a curule
                      chair; if both consuls were absent, the urban praetor would have
                      occupied the curule chair.




                      Source: Taylor & Scott



                      In a footnote (13) to the above, the authors add:




                      Caesar, like Augustus and his successors, was permitted to have a
                      curule chair between those of the two consuls (Dio 43.14.5). Claudius
                      in senatorial trials sometimes left his curule chair and sat with the
                      senators (Dio 60.I6.31).




                      I do not know what the seating actually depicted is called (some kind of pew?) but the curule seat or chair is not depicted in Cesare Maccari's painting. The Wikipedia article has this depiction:



                      enter image description here



                      Curule chair, sella curulis, Museo Borbonico, vol. vi. tav. 28. Source



                      The late republic / early empire funerary relief below shows a curule chair.



                      enter image description here



                      Funerary relief representing a curule chair. Marble, Roman artwork, 50 BC–50 CE. From the Torre Gaia at Via Casilina (Rome). Attrib/source: Palazzo Massimo alle Terme [Public domain]






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                        According to the article Seating Space in the Roman Senate and the Senatores Pedarii by Lily Ross Taylor and Russell T. Scott in Transactions and Proceedings of the American Philological Association
                        Vol. 100 (1969)
                        , Roman senators sat on benches. The authors provide this description of the interior:




                        The interior is 25.63 X I7.73 meters with an entrance from the
                        Comitium about 4 meters wide. The central aisle measures 5.40 meters
                        in width and about 2I meters in length from the door at one end to the
                        raised suggestus at the other, and is covered, except for reserved
                        areas 2 meters long at either end, by a marble intaglio pavement. On
                        either side of it, running back to the lateral walls of the building,
                        are three stepped platforms, each approximately I9 meters long, the
                        two lower each m. i.8o wide, the upper on the right of the entrance m.
                        2.05 wide, that on the left m. 2.58 wide. On these platforms must have been the portable seats for the senators that Von Gerkan, Bartoc-
                        cini, and Bartoli all assumed to have been chairs. But in the Republic
                        and, as far as we know, in the Empire too, the senators regularly sat
                        on benches, subsellia.




                        The use of curule chairs was a privilege generally reserved for consuls:




                        Cicero's position as presiding consul was in a curule chair on a
                        tribunal at the other end of a central aisle. Frequently the consul in
                        charge was accompanied by his colleague who was also in a curule
                        chair; if both consuls were absent, the urban praetor would have
                        occupied the curule chair.




                        Source: Taylor & Scott



                        In a footnote (13) to the above, the authors add:




                        Caesar, like Augustus and his successors, was permitted to have a
                        curule chair between those of the two consuls (Dio 43.14.5). Claudius
                        in senatorial trials sometimes left his curule chair and sat with the
                        senators (Dio 60.I6.31).




                        I do not know what the seating actually depicted is called (some kind of pew?) but the curule seat or chair is not depicted in Cesare Maccari's painting. The Wikipedia article has this depiction:



                        enter image description here



                        Curule chair, sella curulis, Museo Borbonico, vol. vi. tav. 28. Source



                        The late republic / early empire funerary relief below shows a curule chair.



                        enter image description here



                        Funerary relief representing a curule chair. Marble, Roman artwork, 50 BC–50 CE. From the Torre Gaia at Via Casilina (Rome). Attrib/source: Palazzo Massimo alle Terme [Public domain]






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                          According to the article Seating Space in the Roman Senate and the Senatores Pedarii by Lily Ross Taylor and Russell T. Scott in Transactions and Proceedings of the American Philological Association
                          Vol. 100 (1969)
                          , Roman senators sat on benches. The authors provide this description of the interior:




                          The interior is 25.63 X I7.73 meters with an entrance from the
                          Comitium about 4 meters wide. The central aisle measures 5.40 meters
                          in width and about 2I meters in length from the door at one end to the
                          raised suggestus at the other, and is covered, except for reserved
                          areas 2 meters long at either end, by a marble intaglio pavement. On
                          either side of it, running back to the lateral walls of the building,
                          are three stepped platforms, each approximately I9 meters long, the
                          two lower each m. i.8o wide, the upper on the right of the entrance m.
                          2.05 wide, that on the left m. 2.58 wide. On these platforms must have been the portable seats for the senators that Von Gerkan, Bartoc-
                          cini, and Bartoli all assumed to have been chairs. But in the Republic
                          and, as far as we know, in the Empire too, the senators regularly sat
                          on benches, subsellia.




                          The use of curule chairs was a privilege generally reserved for consuls:




                          Cicero's position as presiding consul was in a curule chair on a
                          tribunal at the other end of a central aisle. Frequently the consul in
                          charge was accompanied by his colleague who was also in a curule
                          chair; if both consuls were absent, the urban praetor would have
                          occupied the curule chair.




                          Source: Taylor & Scott



                          In a footnote (13) to the above, the authors add:




                          Caesar, like Augustus and his successors, was permitted to have a
                          curule chair between those of the two consuls (Dio 43.14.5). Claudius
                          in senatorial trials sometimes left his curule chair and sat with the
                          senators (Dio 60.I6.31).




                          I do not know what the seating actually depicted is called (some kind of pew?) but the curule seat or chair is not depicted in Cesare Maccari's painting. The Wikipedia article has this depiction:



                          enter image description here



                          Curule chair, sella curulis, Museo Borbonico, vol. vi. tav. 28. Source



                          The late republic / early empire funerary relief below shows a curule chair.



                          enter image description here



                          Funerary relief representing a curule chair. Marble, Roman artwork, 50 BC–50 CE. From the Torre Gaia at Via Casilina (Rome). Attrib/source: Palazzo Massimo alle Terme [Public domain]






                          share|improve this answer













                          According to the article Seating Space in the Roman Senate and the Senatores Pedarii by Lily Ross Taylor and Russell T. Scott in Transactions and Proceedings of the American Philological Association
                          Vol. 100 (1969)
                          , Roman senators sat on benches. The authors provide this description of the interior:




                          The interior is 25.63 X I7.73 meters with an entrance from the
                          Comitium about 4 meters wide. The central aisle measures 5.40 meters
                          in width and about 2I meters in length from the door at one end to the
                          raised suggestus at the other, and is covered, except for reserved
                          areas 2 meters long at either end, by a marble intaglio pavement. On
                          either side of it, running back to the lateral walls of the building,
                          are three stepped platforms, each approximately I9 meters long, the
                          two lower each m. i.8o wide, the upper on the right of the entrance m.
                          2.05 wide, that on the left m. 2.58 wide. On these platforms must have been the portable seats for the senators that Von Gerkan, Bartoc-
                          cini, and Bartoli all assumed to have been chairs. But in the Republic
                          and, as far as we know, in the Empire too, the senators regularly sat
                          on benches, subsellia.




                          The use of curule chairs was a privilege generally reserved for consuls:




                          Cicero's position as presiding consul was in a curule chair on a
                          tribunal at the other end of a central aisle. Frequently the consul in
                          charge was accompanied by his colleague who was also in a curule
                          chair; if both consuls were absent, the urban praetor would have
                          occupied the curule chair.




                          Source: Taylor & Scott



                          In a footnote (13) to the above, the authors add:




                          Caesar, like Augustus and his successors, was permitted to have a
                          curule chair between those of the two consuls (Dio 43.14.5). Claudius
                          in senatorial trials sometimes left his curule chair and sat with the
                          senators (Dio 60.I6.31).




                          I do not know what the seating actually depicted is called (some kind of pew?) but the curule seat or chair is not depicted in Cesare Maccari's painting. The Wikipedia article has this depiction:



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                          Curule chair, sella curulis, Museo Borbonico, vol. vi. tav. 28. Source



                          The late republic / early empire funerary relief below shows a curule chair.



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                          Funerary relief representing a curule chair. Marble, Roman artwork, 50 BC–50 CE. From the Torre Gaia at Via Casilina (Rome). Attrib/source: Palazzo Massimo alle Terme [Public domain]







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