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An integral inequalityHow to show the inequality is strict?Prove an integral inequality: $ left(int|f|^2dxright)^2le 4left(int|xf(x)|^2dxright)left(int|f'|^2dxright) $A tricky integral inequalityIntegral inequality problem (cauchy-schwarz)Need help on proving triangle inequality for norm.A particular proof of the mean value inequality for vector valued functionsAn integral inequality concerning compositionsIntegral inequality with a strange conditionAn inequality involving integrals and square root
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Let $f:mathbb{R}to mathbb{R}$ be a continuously differentiable function. Prove that for any $a.bin mathbb{R}$
$$left (int_a^bsqrt{1+(f'(x))^2},dxright)^2ge (a-b)^2+(f(b)-f(a))^2$$.
i think mean value theorem kills it but can't do it ...even try cauchy-schwarz inequality but nothing conclution
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Let $f:mathbb{R}to mathbb{R}$ be a continuously differentiable function. Prove that for any $a.bin mathbb{R}$
$$left (int_a^bsqrt{1+(f'(x))^2},dxright)^2ge (a-b)^2+(f(b)-f(a))^2$$.
i think mean value theorem kills it but can't do it ...even try cauchy-schwarz inequality but nothing conclution
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the smallest distance between the two points $(a, f(a))$ and $(b, f(b))$ is the straight line distance which is your RHS (the square root of that of course but same applies to LHS ; conclude...
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@Conrad But this is exactly what is to be proved, since the LHS is the definition of arc length.
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This is classic stuff - can do it locally using Taylor approximation so make the curve piecewise linear and use elementary geometry or as done in various answers with various inequalities
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Let $f:mathbb{R}to mathbb{R}$ be a continuously differentiable function. Prove that for any $a.bin mathbb{R}$
$$left (int_a^bsqrt{1+(f'(x))^2},dxright)^2ge (a-b)^2+(f(b)-f(a))^2$$.
i think mean value theorem kills it but can't do it ...even try cauchy-schwarz inequality but nothing conclution
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Let $f:mathbb{R}to mathbb{R}$ be a continuously differentiable function. Prove that for any $a.bin mathbb{R}$
$$left (int_a^bsqrt{1+(f'(x))^2},dxright)^2ge (a-b)^2+(f(b)-f(a))^2$$.
i think mean value theorem kills it but can't do it ...even try cauchy-schwarz inequality but nothing conclution
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the smallest distance between the two points $(a, f(a))$ and $(b, f(b))$ is the straight line distance which is your RHS (the square root of that of course but same applies to LHS ; conclude...
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– Conrad
3 hours ago
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@Conrad But this is exactly what is to be proved, since the LHS is the definition of arc length.
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– Matematleta
2 hours ago
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This is classic stuff - can do it locally using Taylor approximation so make the curve piecewise linear and use elementary geometry or as done in various answers with various inequalities
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the smallest distance between the two points $(a, f(a))$ and $(b, f(b))$ is the straight line distance which is your RHS (the square root of that of course but same applies to LHS ; conclude...
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– Conrad
3 hours ago
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@Conrad But this is exactly what is to be proved, since the LHS is the definition of arc length.
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– Matematleta
2 hours ago
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This is classic stuff - can do it locally using Taylor approximation so make the curve piecewise linear and use elementary geometry or as done in various answers with various inequalities
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– Conrad
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the smallest distance between the two points $(a, f(a))$ and $(b, f(b))$ is the straight line distance which is your RHS (the square root of that of course but same applies to LHS ; conclude...
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– Conrad
3 hours ago
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the smallest distance between the two points $(a, f(a))$ and $(b, f(b))$ is the straight line distance which is your RHS (the square root of that of course but same applies to LHS ; conclude...
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– Conrad
3 hours ago
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@Conrad But this is exactly what is to be proved, since the LHS is the definition of arc length.
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– Matematleta
2 hours ago
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@Conrad But this is exactly what is to be proved, since the LHS is the definition of arc length.
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– Matematleta
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This is classic stuff - can do it locally using Taylor approximation so make the curve piecewise linear and use elementary geometry or as done in various answers with various inequalities
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– Conrad
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Notice that the function $y mapsto sqrt{1+y^2}$ is strictly convex. So by the Jensen's inequality,
$$ frac{1}{b-a} int_{a}^{b} sqrt{1 + f'(x)^2} , mathrm{d}x geq sqrt{1 + left(frac{1}{b-a}int_{a}^{b} f'(x) , mathrm{d}xright)^2} = sqrt{1 + left(frac{f(b) - f(a)}{b-a} right)^2}. $$
Multiplying both sides by $b-a$ and squaring proves the desired inequality. Moreover, by the strict convexity, the equality holds if and only if $f'$ is constant over $[a, b]$.
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An easy way to do this is to note that since distance is invariant under rotations, without loss of generality, we may assume that $f(a)=f(b).$ And now, since $sqrt{1-f'(x)}ge 0$ on $[a,b]$, the function in $C^1([a,b])$ that minimizes the integral coincides with the function $f$ that minimizes the integrand, and clearly, this happens when $f'(x)=0$ for all $xin [a,b].$ That is, when $f$ is constant on $[a,b].$ Then, $f(x)=f(a)$ and the result follows.
If you want to do this without the wlog assumption, then argue as follows:
Let $epsilon>0, fin C^1([a,b])$ and choose a partition $P={a,x_1,cdots,x_{n-2},b}$.
The length of the polygonal path obtained by joining the points
$(x_i,f(x_i))$ is $sum_i sqrt{(Delta x_i)^2+(Delta y_i)^2}$ and this is clearly $ge (b-a)^2+(f(b)-f(a))^2$. (You can make this precise by using an induction argument on $n$.)
And this is true for $textit{any}$ partition $P$.
But the above sum is also $sum_isqrt{1+frac{Delta y_i}{Delta x_i}}Delta x_i $ and now, upon applying the MVT, we see that what we have is a Riemann sum for $sqrt{1+f'(x)}$.
To finish, choose $P$ such that $left |int^b_asqrt{1+f'(x)}dx- sum_isqrt{1+f'(c_i)}Delta x_i right |<epsilon $. (The $c_i$ are the numbers $x_i<c_i<x_{i-1}$ obtained from the MVT). Then,
$(b-a)^2+(f(b)-f(a))^2le sum_isqrt{1+f'(c)}Delta x_i<int^b_asqrt{1+f'(x)}+epsilon.$
Since $epsilon$ is arbitrary, the result follows.
For a slick way to do this, use a variational argument: assuming a minimum $f$ exists, consider $f+tphi$ where $t$ is a real parameter and $phi$ is arbitrary $C^1([a,b])$.
Subsitute it into the integral:
$l(t)=int_a^b sqrt{1+(f'+tphi')^2}dx$.
Since $f$ minimizes this integral, the derivative of $l$ at $t=0$ must be equal to zero. Then,
$0=l'(0)= int_a^b dfrac{f'phi'}{sqrt{1+(f')^2}}dx$.
After an integration by parts, we get
$dfrac{f'}{sqrt{1+(f')^2}} = c$ for some constant $cin mathbb R,$ from which it follows that $f'=c$. And this means, of course, that the graph of $f$ is a straight line connecting $(a,f(a))$ and $(b,f(b)).$ The desired inequality follows.
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Note that for every complex valued integrable function $phi :[a,b]to Bbb C$, it holds that
$$
left|int_a^b phi(x) dxright|le int_a^b|phi(x)| dx.
$$ Let $phi(x)=1+if'(x)$. Then we can see that
$$begin{align*}
left|int_a^b phi(x) dxright|&=left|(b-a)+i(f(b)-f(a))right|\&=sqrt{(b-a)^2+(f(b)-f(a))^2}
end{align*}$$ and
$$
int_a^b|phi(x)| dx=int_a^b sqrt{1+(f'(x))^2} dx.
$$ Now, the desired inequality follows.
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(+1) Amazing, this should the accepted answer! Anyway, is there any reason to work with $mathbb{C}$ rather than $mathbb{R}^2$ with $phi(x) = gamma'(x)$ and $gamma(x) = (x, f(x))$?
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Umm, sorry, I see no specific reason, since both are essentially the same version of the triangle inequality in integral form. But I just prefered $Bbb C$-version because it can be easily derived from the real triangle inequality; if $f$ is real-valued, integrable, $int_a^b fle int_a^b |f|$. Thank you!
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Expanding upon what @Conrad said, the shortest distance between two points is the distance of the line between, which is what your RHS is measuring (it is actually the square of the distance from $(a, f(a))$ to $(b, f(b))$.
Now if we assume $left (int_a^bsqrt{1+(f'(x))^2},dxright)^2 < (a-b)^2+(f(b)-f(a))^2$, then we have contradicted the fact that that the shortest distance between $(a, f(a))$ and $(b, f(b))$ is $sqrt{(a-b)^2+(f(b)-f(a))^2}$. Therefore, it must be the case that $left (int_a^bsqrt{1+(f'(x))^2},dxright)^2 geq (a-b)^2+(f(b)-f(a))^2$
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Notice that the function $y mapsto sqrt{1+y^2}$ is strictly convex. So by the Jensen's inequality,
$$ frac{1}{b-a} int_{a}^{b} sqrt{1 + f'(x)^2} , mathrm{d}x geq sqrt{1 + left(frac{1}{b-a}int_{a}^{b} f'(x) , mathrm{d}xright)^2} = sqrt{1 + left(frac{f(b) - f(a)}{b-a} right)^2}. $$
Multiplying both sides by $b-a$ and squaring proves the desired inequality. Moreover, by the strict convexity, the equality holds if and only if $f'$ is constant over $[a, b]$.
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Notice that the function $y mapsto sqrt{1+y^2}$ is strictly convex. So by the Jensen's inequality,
$$ frac{1}{b-a} int_{a}^{b} sqrt{1 + f'(x)^2} , mathrm{d}x geq sqrt{1 + left(frac{1}{b-a}int_{a}^{b} f'(x) , mathrm{d}xright)^2} = sqrt{1 + left(frac{f(b) - f(a)}{b-a} right)^2}. $$
Multiplying both sides by $b-a$ and squaring proves the desired inequality. Moreover, by the strict convexity, the equality holds if and only if $f'$ is constant over $[a, b]$.
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Notice that the function $y mapsto sqrt{1+y^2}$ is strictly convex. So by the Jensen's inequality,
$$ frac{1}{b-a} int_{a}^{b} sqrt{1 + f'(x)^2} , mathrm{d}x geq sqrt{1 + left(frac{1}{b-a}int_{a}^{b} f'(x) , mathrm{d}xright)^2} = sqrt{1 + left(frac{f(b) - f(a)}{b-a} right)^2}. $$
Multiplying both sides by $b-a$ and squaring proves the desired inequality. Moreover, by the strict convexity, the equality holds if and only if $f'$ is constant over $[a, b]$.
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Notice that the function $y mapsto sqrt{1+y^2}$ is strictly convex. So by the Jensen's inequality,
$$ frac{1}{b-a} int_{a}^{b} sqrt{1 + f'(x)^2} , mathrm{d}x geq sqrt{1 + left(frac{1}{b-a}int_{a}^{b} f'(x) , mathrm{d}xright)^2} = sqrt{1 + left(frac{f(b) - f(a)}{b-a} right)^2}. $$
Multiplying both sides by $b-a$ and squaring proves the desired inequality. Moreover, by the strict convexity, the equality holds if and only if $f'$ is constant over $[a, b]$.
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An easy way to do this is to note that since distance is invariant under rotations, without loss of generality, we may assume that $f(a)=f(b).$ And now, since $sqrt{1-f'(x)}ge 0$ on $[a,b]$, the function in $C^1([a,b])$ that minimizes the integral coincides with the function $f$ that minimizes the integrand, and clearly, this happens when $f'(x)=0$ for all $xin [a,b].$ That is, when $f$ is constant on $[a,b].$ Then, $f(x)=f(a)$ and the result follows.
If you want to do this without the wlog assumption, then argue as follows:
Let $epsilon>0, fin C^1([a,b])$ and choose a partition $P={a,x_1,cdots,x_{n-2},b}$.
The length of the polygonal path obtained by joining the points
$(x_i,f(x_i))$ is $sum_i sqrt{(Delta x_i)^2+(Delta y_i)^2}$ and this is clearly $ge (b-a)^2+(f(b)-f(a))^2$. (You can make this precise by using an induction argument on $n$.)
And this is true for $textit{any}$ partition $P$.
But the above sum is also $sum_isqrt{1+frac{Delta y_i}{Delta x_i}}Delta x_i $ and now, upon applying the MVT, we see that what we have is a Riemann sum for $sqrt{1+f'(x)}$.
To finish, choose $P$ such that $left |int^b_asqrt{1+f'(x)}dx- sum_isqrt{1+f'(c_i)}Delta x_i right |<epsilon $. (The $c_i$ are the numbers $x_i<c_i<x_{i-1}$ obtained from the MVT). Then,
$(b-a)^2+(f(b)-f(a))^2le sum_isqrt{1+f'(c)}Delta x_i<int^b_asqrt{1+f'(x)}+epsilon.$
Since $epsilon$ is arbitrary, the result follows.
For a slick way to do this, use a variational argument: assuming a minimum $f$ exists, consider $f+tphi$ where $t$ is a real parameter and $phi$ is arbitrary $C^1([a,b])$.
Subsitute it into the integral:
$l(t)=int_a^b sqrt{1+(f'+tphi')^2}dx$.
Since $f$ minimizes this integral, the derivative of $l$ at $t=0$ must be equal to zero. Then,
$0=l'(0)= int_a^b dfrac{f'phi'}{sqrt{1+(f')^2}}dx$.
After an integration by parts, we get
$dfrac{f'}{sqrt{1+(f')^2}} = c$ for some constant $cin mathbb R,$ from which it follows that $f'=c$. And this means, of course, that the graph of $f$ is a straight line connecting $(a,f(a))$ and $(b,f(b)).$ The desired inequality follows.
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An easy way to do this is to note that since distance is invariant under rotations, without loss of generality, we may assume that $f(a)=f(b).$ And now, since $sqrt{1-f'(x)}ge 0$ on $[a,b]$, the function in $C^1([a,b])$ that minimizes the integral coincides with the function $f$ that minimizes the integrand, and clearly, this happens when $f'(x)=0$ for all $xin [a,b].$ That is, when $f$ is constant on $[a,b].$ Then, $f(x)=f(a)$ and the result follows.
If you want to do this without the wlog assumption, then argue as follows:
Let $epsilon>0, fin C^1([a,b])$ and choose a partition $P={a,x_1,cdots,x_{n-2},b}$.
The length of the polygonal path obtained by joining the points
$(x_i,f(x_i))$ is $sum_i sqrt{(Delta x_i)^2+(Delta y_i)^2}$ and this is clearly $ge (b-a)^2+(f(b)-f(a))^2$. (You can make this precise by using an induction argument on $n$.)
And this is true for $textit{any}$ partition $P$.
But the above sum is also $sum_isqrt{1+frac{Delta y_i}{Delta x_i}}Delta x_i $ and now, upon applying the MVT, we see that what we have is a Riemann sum for $sqrt{1+f'(x)}$.
To finish, choose $P$ such that $left |int^b_asqrt{1+f'(x)}dx- sum_isqrt{1+f'(c_i)}Delta x_i right |<epsilon $. (The $c_i$ are the numbers $x_i<c_i<x_{i-1}$ obtained from the MVT). Then,
$(b-a)^2+(f(b)-f(a))^2le sum_isqrt{1+f'(c)}Delta x_i<int^b_asqrt{1+f'(x)}+epsilon.$
Since $epsilon$ is arbitrary, the result follows.
For a slick way to do this, use a variational argument: assuming a minimum $f$ exists, consider $f+tphi$ where $t$ is a real parameter and $phi$ is arbitrary $C^1([a,b])$.
Subsitute it into the integral:
$l(t)=int_a^b sqrt{1+(f'+tphi')^2}dx$.
Since $f$ minimizes this integral, the derivative of $l$ at $t=0$ must be equal to zero. Then,
$0=l'(0)= int_a^b dfrac{f'phi'}{sqrt{1+(f')^2}}dx$.
After an integration by parts, we get
$dfrac{f'}{sqrt{1+(f')^2}} = c$ for some constant $cin mathbb R,$ from which it follows that $f'=c$. And this means, of course, that the graph of $f$ is a straight line connecting $(a,f(a))$ and $(b,f(b)).$ The desired inequality follows.
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An easy way to do this is to note that since distance is invariant under rotations, without loss of generality, we may assume that $f(a)=f(b).$ And now, since $sqrt{1-f'(x)}ge 0$ on $[a,b]$, the function in $C^1([a,b])$ that minimizes the integral coincides with the function $f$ that minimizes the integrand, and clearly, this happens when $f'(x)=0$ for all $xin [a,b].$ That is, when $f$ is constant on $[a,b].$ Then, $f(x)=f(a)$ and the result follows.
If you want to do this without the wlog assumption, then argue as follows:
Let $epsilon>0, fin C^1([a,b])$ and choose a partition $P={a,x_1,cdots,x_{n-2},b}$.
The length of the polygonal path obtained by joining the points
$(x_i,f(x_i))$ is $sum_i sqrt{(Delta x_i)^2+(Delta y_i)^2}$ and this is clearly $ge (b-a)^2+(f(b)-f(a))^2$. (You can make this precise by using an induction argument on $n$.)
And this is true for $textit{any}$ partition $P$.
But the above sum is also $sum_isqrt{1+frac{Delta y_i}{Delta x_i}}Delta x_i $ and now, upon applying the MVT, we see that what we have is a Riemann sum for $sqrt{1+f'(x)}$.
To finish, choose $P$ such that $left |int^b_asqrt{1+f'(x)}dx- sum_isqrt{1+f'(c_i)}Delta x_i right |<epsilon $. (The $c_i$ are the numbers $x_i<c_i<x_{i-1}$ obtained from the MVT). Then,
$(b-a)^2+(f(b)-f(a))^2le sum_isqrt{1+f'(c)}Delta x_i<int^b_asqrt{1+f'(x)}+epsilon.$
Since $epsilon$ is arbitrary, the result follows.
For a slick way to do this, use a variational argument: assuming a minimum $f$ exists, consider $f+tphi$ where $t$ is a real parameter and $phi$ is arbitrary $C^1([a,b])$.
Subsitute it into the integral:
$l(t)=int_a^b sqrt{1+(f'+tphi')^2}dx$.
Since $f$ minimizes this integral, the derivative of $l$ at $t=0$ must be equal to zero. Then,
$0=l'(0)= int_a^b dfrac{f'phi'}{sqrt{1+(f')^2}}dx$.
After an integration by parts, we get
$dfrac{f'}{sqrt{1+(f')^2}} = c$ for some constant $cin mathbb R,$ from which it follows that $f'=c$. And this means, of course, that the graph of $f$ is a straight line connecting $(a,f(a))$ and $(b,f(b)).$ The desired inequality follows.
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An easy way to do this is to note that since distance is invariant under rotations, without loss of generality, we may assume that $f(a)=f(b).$ And now, since $sqrt{1-f'(x)}ge 0$ on $[a,b]$, the function in $C^1([a,b])$ that minimizes the integral coincides with the function $f$ that minimizes the integrand, and clearly, this happens when $f'(x)=0$ for all $xin [a,b].$ That is, when $f$ is constant on $[a,b].$ Then, $f(x)=f(a)$ and the result follows.
If you want to do this without the wlog assumption, then argue as follows:
Let $epsilon>0, fin C^1([a,b])$ and choose a partition $P={a,x_1,cdots,x_{n-2},b}$.
The length of the polygonal path obtained by joining the points
$(x_i,f(x_i))$ is $sum_i sqrt{(Delta x_i)^2+(Delta y_i)^2}$ and this is clearly $ge (b-a)^2+(f(b)-f(a))^2$. (You can make this precise by using an induction argument on $n$.)
And this is true for $textit{any}$ partition $P$.
But the above sum is also $sum_isqrt{1+frac{Delta y_i}{Delta x_i}}Delta x_i $ and now, upon applying the MVT, we see that what we have is a Riemann sum for $sqrt{1+f'(x)}$.
To finish, choose $P$ such that $left |int^b_asqrt{1+f'(x)}dx- sum_isqrt{1+f'(c_i)}Delta x_i right |<epsilon $. (The $c_i$ are the numbers $x_i<c_i<x_{i-1}$ obtained from the MVT). Then,
$(b-a)^2+(f(b)-f(a))^2le sum_isqrt{1+f'(c)}Delta x_i<int^b_asqrt{1+f'(x)}+epsilon.$
Since $epsilon$ is arbitrary, the result follows.
For a slick way to do this, use a variational argument: assuming a minimum $f$ exists, consider $f+tphi$ where $t$ is a real parameter and $phi$ is arbitrary $C^1([a,b])$.
Subsitute it into the integral:
$l(t)=int_a^b sqrt{1+(f'+tphi')^2}dx$.
Since $f$ minimizes this integral, the derivative of $l$ at $t=0$ must be equal to zero. Then,
$0=l'(0)= int_a^b dfrac{f'phi'}{sqrt{1+(f')^2}}dx$.
After an integration by parts, we get
$dfrac{f'}{sqrt{1+(f')^2}} = c$ for some constant $cin mathbb R,$ from which it follows that $f'=c$. And this means, of course, that the graph of $f$ is a straight line connecting $(a,f(a))$ and $(b,f(b)).$ The desired inequality follows.
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Note that for every complex valued integrable function $phi :[a,b]to Bbb C$, it holds that
$$
left|int_a^b phi(x) dxright|le int_a^b|phi(x)| dx.
$$ Let $phi(x)=1+if'(x)$. Then we can see that
$$begin{align*}
left|int_a^b phi(x) dxright|&=left|(b-a)+i(f(b)-f(a))right|\&=sqrt{(b-a)^2+(f(b)-f(a))^2}
end{align*}$$ and
$$
int_a^b|phi(x)| dx=int_a^b sqrt{1+(f'(x))^2} dx.
$$ Now, the desired inequality follows.
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(+1) Amazing, this should the accepted answer! Anyway, is there any reason to work with $mathbb{C}$ rather than $mathbb{R}^2$ with $phi(x) = gamma'(x)$ and $gamma(x) = (x, f(x))$?
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Umm, sorry, I see no specific reason, since both are essentially the same version of the triangle inequality in integral form. But I just prefered $Bbb C$-version because it can be easily derived from the real triangle inequality; if $f$ is real-valued, integrable, $int_a^b fle int_a^b |f|$. Thank you!
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Note that for every complex valued integrable function $phi :[a,b]to Bbb C$, it holds that
$$
left|int_a^b phi(x) dxright|le int_a^b|phi(x)| dx.
$$ Let $phi(x)=1+if'(x)$. Then we can see that
$$begin{align*}
left|int_a^b phi(x) dxright|&=left|(b-a)+i(f(b)-f(a))right|\&=sqrt{(b-a)^2+(f(b)-f(a))^2}
end{align*}$$ and
$$
int_a^b|phi(x)| dx=int_a^b sqrt{1+(f'(x))^2} dx.
$$ Now, the desired inequality follows.
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(+1) Amazing, this should the accepted answer! Anyway, is there any reason to work with $mathbb{C}$ rather than $mathbb{R}^2$ with $phi(x) = gamma'(x)$ and $gamma(x) = (x, f(x))$?
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– Sangchul Lee
11 mins ago
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Umm, sorry, I see no specific reason, since both are essentially the same version of the triangle inequality in integral form. But I just prefered $Bbb C$-version because it can be easily derived from the real triangle inequality; if $f$ is real-valued, integrable, $int_a^b fle int_a^b |f|$. Thank you!
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– Song
1 min ago
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Note that for every complex valued integrable function $phi :[a,b]to Bbb C$, it holds that
$$
left|int_a^b phi(x) dxright|le int_a^b|phi(x)| dx.
$$ Let $phi(x)=1+if'(x)$. Then we can see that
$$begin{align*}
left|int_a^b phi(x) dxright|&=left|(b-a)+i(f(b)-f(a))right|\&=sqrt{(b-a)^2+(f(b)-f(a))^2}
end{align*}$$ and
$$
int_a^b|phi(x)| dx=int_a^b sqrt{1+(f'(x))^2} dx.
$$ Now, the desired inequality follows.
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Note that for every complex valued integrable function $phi :[a,b]to Bbb C$, it holds that
$$
left|int_a^b phi(x) dxright|le int_a^b|phi(x)| dx.
$$ Let $phi(x)=1+if'(x)$. Then we can see that
$$begin{align*}
left|int_a^b phi(x) dxright|&=left|(b-a)+i(f(b)-f(a))right|\&=sqrt{(b-a)^2+(f(b)-f(a))^2}
end{align*}$$ and
$$
int_a^b|phi(x)| dx=int_a^b sqrt{1+(f'(x))^2} dx.
$$ Now, the desired inequality follows.
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(+1) Amazing, this should the accepted answer! Anyway, is there any reason to work with $mathbb{C}$ rather than $mathbb{R}^2$ with $phi(x) = gamma'(x)$ and $gamma(x) = (x, f(x))$?
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– Sangchul Lee
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Umm, sorry, I see no specific reason, since both are essentially the same version of the triangle inequality in integral form. But I just prefered $Bbb C$-version because it can be easily derived from the real triangle inequality; if $f$ is real-valued, integrable, $int_a^b fle int_a^b |f|$. Thank you!
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– Song
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(+1) Amazing, this should the accepted answer! Anyway, is there any reason to work with $mathbb{C}$ rather than $mathbb{R}^2$ with $phi(x) = gamma'(x)$ and $gamma(x) = (x, f(x))$?
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– Sangchul Lee
11 mins ago
$begingroup$
Umm, sorry, I see no specific reason, since both are essentially the same version of the triangle inequality in integral form. But I just prefered $Bbb C$-version because it can be easily derived from the real triangle inequality; if $f$ is real-valued, integrable, $int_a^b fle int_a^b |f|$. Thank you!
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– Song
1 min ago
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(+1) Amazing, this should the accepted answer! Anyway, is there any reason to work with $mathbb{C}$ rather than $mathbb{R}^2$ with $phi(x) = gamma'(x)$ and $gamma(x) = (x, f(x))$?
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– Sangchul Lee
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(+1) Amazing, this should the accepted answer! Anyway, is there any reason to work with $mathbb{C}$ rather than $mathbb{R}^2$ with $phi(x) = gamma'(x)$ and $gamma(x) = (x, f(x))$?
$endgroup$
– Sangchul Lee
11 mins ago
$begingroup$
Umm, sorry, I see no specific reason, since both are essentially the same version of the triangle inequality in integral form. But I just prefered $Bbb C$-version because it can be easily derived from the real triangle inequality; if $f$ is real-valued, integrable, $int_a^b fle int_a^b |f|$. Thank you!
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– Song
1 min ago
$begingroup$
Umm, sorry, I see no specific reason, since both are essentially the same version of the triangle inequality in integral form. But I just prefered $Bbb C$-version because it can be easily derived from the real triangle inequality; if $f$ is real-valued, integrable, $int_a^b fle int_a^b |f|$. Thank you!
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Expanding upon what @Conrad said, the shortest distance between two points is the distance of the line between, which is what your RHS is measuring (it is actually the square of the distance from $(a, f(a))$ to $(b, f(b))$.
Now if we assume $left (int_a^bsqrt{1+(f'(x))^2},dxright)^2 < (a-b)^2+(f(b)-f(a))^2$, then we have contradicted the fact that that the shortest distance between $(a, f(a))$ and $(b, f(b))$ is $sqrt{(a-b)^2+(f(b)-f(a))^2}$. Therefore, it must be the case that $left (int_a^bsqrt{1+(f'(x))^2},dxright)^2 geq (a-b)^2+(f(b)-f(a))^2$
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Expanding upon what @Conrad said, the shortest distance between two points is the distance of the line between, which is what your RHS is measuring (it is actually the square of the distance from $(a, f(a))$ to $(b, f(b))$.
Now if we assume $left (int_a^bsqrt{1+(f'(x))^2},dxright)^2 < (a-b)^2+(f(b)-f(a))^2$, then we have contradicted the fact that that the shortest distance between $(a, f(a))$ and $(b, f(b))$ is $sqrt{(a-b)^2+(f(b)-f(a))^2}$. Therefore, it must be the case that $left (int_a^bsqrt{1+(f'(x))^2},dxright)^2 geq (a-b)^2+(f(b)-f(a))^2$
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Expanding upon what @Conrad said, the shortest distance between two points is the distance of the line between, which is what your RHS is measuring (it is actually the square of the distance from $(a, f(a))$ to $(b, f(b))$.
Now if we assume $left (int_a^bsqrt{1+(f'(x))^2},dxright)^2 < (a-b)^2+(f(b)-f(a))^2$, then we have contradicted the fact that that the shortest distance between $(a, f(a))$ and $(b, f(b))$ is $sqrt{(a-b)^2+(f(b)-f(a))^2}$. Therefore, it must be the case that $left (int_a^bsqrt{1+(f'(x))^2},dxright)^2 geq (a-b)^2+(f(b)-f(a))^2$
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Expanding upon what @Conrad said, the shortest distance between two points is the distance of the line between, which is what your RHS is measuring (it is actually the square of the distance from $(a, f(a))$ to $(b, f(b))$.
Now if we assume $left (int_a^bsqrt{1+(f'(x))^2},dxright)^2 < (a-b)^2+(f(b)-f(a))^2$, then we have contradicted the fact that that the shortest distance between $(a, f(a))$ and $(b, f(b))$ is $sqrt{(a-b)^2+(f(b)-f(a))^2}$. Therefore, it must be the case that $left (int_a^bsqrt{1+(f'(x))^2},dxright)^2 geq (a-b)^2+(f(b)-f(a))^2$
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the smallest distance between the two points $(a, f(a))$ and $(b, f(b))$ is the straight line distance which is your RHS (the square root of that of course but same applies to LHS ; conclude...
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@Conrad But this is exactly what is to be proved, since the LHS is the definition of arc length.
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This is classic stuff - can do it locally using Taylor approximation so make the curve piecewise linear and use elementary geometry or as done in various answers with various inequalities
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