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On our world, human minds can be transferred intact into animals. It was originally intended for people with medical conditions, but some genius thought it would be clever to store violent prisoners as fish, in large tanks. Well, it's because the prison had two salmon doctors due to their sideline activism in fish-habitat restoration (trying to blow up a dam). So, for their docile animal, the prison selected atlantic salmon, 13 year lifespan, and the minds are re-transferred as needed to young healthy fish.
Then, the hurricane or tsunami came. Having thought of, planned and practiced for a similar escape plan, the prisoners knew exactly what to do. They used the storm surge, and the absolute chaos on the human side, to slip their pens and escape to open ocean.
Several are asking if they plan to use the short-term storm surge to swim around the city to cause landside mayhem; nope. They are terrified the water will recede at any moment, and they don't want to end up gasping on a sidewalk. Their only plan during the storm surge is to get to open ocean. Their dream made real, only now do they scheme.
Now they have their human knowledge of geography and full access to any ocean on earth, access to inland waterways that are not blocked to fish, and the knowledge to navigate locks when humans open them. Salmon can operate in both salt and fresh water.
Remember, they are human-smart, and nobody needs to explain the Prisoner's Dilemma to them. They have team defenses against birds and other predators. The two salmon doctors are respected, and have prepared everyone well for life outside. These prisoners are not going to die of stupidity/not knowing how to be a salmon.
Now you have a gang of human-smart, human-experienced, very vengeful salt water/fresh water fish who want to cause civilized society as much trouble as possible. What harm could they do?
fauna brain evil
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On our world, human minds can be transferred intact into animals. It was originally intended for people with medical conditions, but some genius thought it would be clever to store violent prisoners as fish, in large tanks. Well, it's because the prison had two salmon doctors due to their sideline activism in fish-habitat restoration (trying to blow up a dam). So, for their docile animal, the prison selected atlantic salmon, 13 year lifespan, and the minds are re-transferred as needed to young healthy fish.
Then, the hurricane or tsunami came. Having thought of, planned and practiced for a similar escape plan, the prisoners knew exactly what to do. They used the storm surge, and the absolute chaos on the human side, to slip their pens and escape to open ocean.
Several are asking if they plan to use the short-term storm surge to swim around the city to cause landside mayhem; nope. They are terrified the water will recede at any moment, and they don't want to end up gasping on a sidewalk. Their only plan during the storm surge is to get to open ocean. Their dream made real, only now do they scheme.
Now they have their human knowledge of geography and full access to any ocean on earth, access to inland waterways that are not blocked to fish, and the knowledge to navigate locks when humans open them. Salmon can operate in both salt and fresh water.
Remember, they are human-smart, and nobody needs to explain the Prisoner's Dilemma to them. They have team defenses against birds and other predators. The two salmon doctors are respected, and have prepared everyone well for life outside. These prisoners are not going to die of stupidity/not knowing how to be a salmon.
Now you have a gang of human-smart, human-experienced, very vengeful salt water/fresh water fish who want to cause civilized society as much trouble as possible. What harm could they do?
fauna brain evil
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Is everything still flooded?
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– Gimelist
2 hours ago
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The floodwaters recede after a few minutes. The prisoners don't hang around to get beached on a sidewalk when the water recedes, they make for the open sea. Predators have a hard time with them because they use weapons as able, and human tactics.
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– Harper
2 hours ago
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"they use weapons" - what kind of weapons?
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– Alexander
2 hours ago
1
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Can a whole school of fish dress pass as a woman in an overcoat in order to lure the armored car into the water?
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– user535733
1 hour ago
1
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@Harper - This is so far fetched that it seems impossible to answer. Violent criminal Ichthyologists? Really? Knowing where they are in the middle of an ocean with no navigation equipment? They know how to use tools - What tools - did they find them in the tank? Did they make them by mining the seabed for ore and smelting the resulting metal underwater?
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– chasly from UK
46 mins ago
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$begingroup$
On our world, human minds can be transferred intact into animals. It was originally intended for people with medical conditions, but some genius thought it would be clever to store violent prisoners as fish, in large tanks. Well, it's because the prison had two salmon doctors due to their sideline activism in fish-habitat restoration (trying to blow up a dam). So, for their docile animal, the prison selected atlantic salmon, 13 year lifespan, and the minds are re-transferred as needed to young healthy fish.
Then, the hurricane or tsunami came. Having thought of, planned and practiced for a similar escape plan, the prisoners knew exactly what to do. They used the storm surge, and the absolute chaos on the human side, to slip their pens and escape to open ocean.
Several are asking if they plan to use the short-term storm surge to swim around the city to cause landside mayhem; nope. They are terrified the water will recede at any moment, and they don't want to end up gasping on a sidewalk. Their only plan during the storm surge is to get to open ocean. Their dream made real, only now do they scheme.
Now they have their human knowledge of geography and full access to any ocean on earth, access to inland waterways that are not blocked to fish, and the knowledge to navigate locks when humans open them. Salmon can operate in both salt and fresh water.
Remember, they are human-smart, and nobody needs to explain the Prisoner's Dilemma to them. They have team defenses against birds and other predators. The two salmon doctors are respected, and have prepared everyone well for life outside. These prisoners are not going to die of stupidity/not knowing how to be a salmon.
Now you have a gang of human-smart, human-experienced, very vengeful salt water/fresh water fish who want to cause civilized society as much trouble as possible. What harm could they do?
fauna brain evil
$endgroup$
On our world, human minds can be transferred intact into animals. It was originally intended for people with medical conditions, but some genius thought it would be clever to store violent prisoners as fish, in large tanks. Well, it's because the prison had two salmon doctors due to their sideline activism in fish-habitat restoration (trying to blow up a dam). So, for their docile animal, the prison selected atlantic salmon, 13 year lifespan, and the minds are re-transferred as needed to young healthy fish.
Then, the hurricane or tsunami came. Having thought of, planned and practiced for a similar escape plan, the prisoners knew exactly what to do. They used the storm surge, and the absolute chaos on the human side, to slip their pens and escape to open ocean.
Several are asking if they plan to use the short-term storm surge to swim around the city to cause landside mayhem; nope. They are terrified the water will recede at any moment, and they don't want to end up gasping on a sidewalk. Their only plan during the storm surge is to get to open ocean. Their dream made real, only now do they scheme.
Now they have their human knowledge of geography and full access to any ocean on earth, access to inland waterways that are not blocked to fish, and the knowledge to navigate locks when humans open them. Salmon can operate in both salt and fresh water.
Remember, they are human-smart, and nobody needs to explain the Prisoner's Dilemma to them. They have team defenses against birds and other predators. The two salmon doctors are respected, and have prepared everyone well for life outside. These prisoners are not going to die of stupidity/not knowing how to be a salmon.
Now you have a gang of human-smart, human-experienced, very vengeful salt water/fresh water fish who want to cause civilized society as much trouble as possible. What harm could they do?
fauna brain evil
fauna brain evil
edited 10 mins ago
Harper
asked 2 hours ago
HarperHarper
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Is everything still flooded?
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– Gimelist
2 hours ago
$begingroup$
The floodwaters recede after a few minutes. The prisoners don't hang around to get beached on a sidewalk when the water recedes, they make for the open sea. Predators have a hard time with them because they use weapons as able, and human tactics.
$endgroup$
– Harper
2 hours ago
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"they use weapons" - what kind of weapons?
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– Alexander
2 hours ago
1
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Can a whole school of fish dress pass as a woman in an overcoat in order to lure the armored car into the water?
$endgroup$
– user535733
1 hour ago
1
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@Harper - This is so far fetched that it seems impossible to answer. Violent criminal Ichthyologists? Really? Knowing where they are in the middle of an ocean with no navigation equipment? They know how to use tools - What tools - did they find them in the tank? Did they make them by mining the seabed for ore and smelting the resulting metal underwater?
$endgroup$
– chasly from UK
46 mins ago
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$begingroup$
Is everything still flooded?
$endgroup$
– Gimelist
2 hours ago
$begingroup$
The floodwaters recede after a few minutes. The prisoners don't hang around to get beached on a sidewalk when the water recedes, they make for the open sea. Predators have a hard time with them because they use weapons as able, and human tactics.
$endgroup$
– Harper
2 hours ago
$begingroup$
"they use weapons" - what kind of weapons?
$endgroup$
– Alexander
2 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
Can a whole school of fish dress pass as a woman in an overcoat in order to lure the armored car into the water?
$endgroup$
– user535733
1 hour ago
1
$begingroup$
@Harper - This is so far fetched that it seems impossible to answer. Violent criminal Ichthyologists? Really? Knowing where they are in the middle of an ocean with no navigation equipment? They know how to use tools - What tools - did they find them in the tank? Did they make them by mining the seabed for ore and smelting the resulting metal underwater?
$endgroup$
– chasly from UK
46 mins ago
$begingroup$
Is everything still flooded?
$endgroup$
– Gimelist
2 hours ago
$begingroup$
Is everything still flooded?
$endgroup$
– Gimelist
2 hours ago
$begingroup$
The floodwaters recede after a few minutes. The prisoners don't hang around to get beached on a sidewalk when the water recedes, they make for the open sea. Predators have a hard time with them because they use weapons as able, and human tactics.
$endgroup$
– Harper
2 hours ago
$begingroup$
The floodwaters recede after a few minutes. The prisoners don't hang around to get beached on a sidewalk when the water recedes, they make for the open sea. Predators have a hard time with them because they use weapons as able, and human tactics.
$endgroup$
– Harper
2 hours ago
$begingroup$
"they use weapons" - what kind of weapons?
$endgroup$
– Alexander
2 hours ago
$begingroup$
"they use weapons" - what kind of weapons?
$endgroup$
– Alexander
2 hours ago
1
1
$begingroup$
Can a whole school of fish dress pass as a woman in an overcoat in order to lure the armored car into the water?
$endgroup$
– user535733
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
Can a whole school of fish dress pass as a woman in an overcoat in order to lure the armored car into the water?
$endgroup$
– user535733
1 hour ago
1
1
$begingroup$
@Harper - This is so far fetched that it seems impossible to answer. Violent criminal Ichthyologists? Really? Knowing where they are in the middle of an ocean with no navigation equipment? They know how to use tools - What tools - did they find them in the tank? Did they make them by mining the seabed for ore and smelting the resulting metal underwater?
$endgroup$
– chasly from UK
46 mins ago
$begingroup$
@Harper - This is so far fetched that it seems impossible to answer. Violent criminal Ichthyologists? Really? Knowing where they are in the middle of an ocean with no navigation equipment? They know how to use tools - What tools - did they find them in the tank? Did they make them by mining the seabed for ore and smelting the resulting metal underwater?
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– chasly from UK
46 mins ago
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Make someone overreact
So you swim to North Korea (hopefully the tank was not too far). Once there, you regroup in the shape of a submarine and you slowly approach any US/Japanese/Chinese/North Korean/South Korean warship you can find. Hope someone overreact and press the wrong button. If not, try again.
Playing with nerves
Also every time you see soldiers on small rafts in the area, you capsize them and make them disappear to the bottom of the ocean. This will help people press the wrong button sooner or later.
These kind of boat or smaller would probably be possible to capsize by a sufficient amount of well coordinated salmons:

The holy grail
There is one thing that if you can manage to find, will help you achieve your goal much faster. A water mine!
Maybe there will be some in proximity of some secret North Korean's navy facilities. Find one, bring it in the path of any large warship in the area, and swim away fast.

Escalation
Then let's relax and watch the escalation of violence turn into a nuclear war, naughty salmons.
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Let's shut down and/or melt-down some nuclear power plants.
Heck if some brainless Swedish jellyfish could do it in 2013, surely a gang of criminal salmon can manage!
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I thought of what they could do to bridges or anything that interchanged seawater for cooling, especially after they find a sunken ship full of WWII hand grenades or something...
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– Harper
52 mins ago
add a comment |
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What harm can they do?
Not much. They lack arms/hands and legs/feet. Their ways of communicating will be limited, and whatever they come up with according
forcing them to work together to learn to communicate
that will be some form of communication which works for the giants fish tanks they're being held in. Not a vast ocean.
Besides, most species of salmon only live a few years. The longer the prisoners/salmon had to make plans, the elderly they are.
It's far more likely they will quickly end up as food, or succumb to parasites.
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These are fair concerns. I edited my question to clarify that communication is viable, they are young specimens of long-lived species, and they are the opposite of dumb fish. They know what to eat, what not to do, how to use tools, and how to effectively fight predators.
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– Harper
1 hour ago
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Your super smart Salmon want to cause chaos so what they do is abduct highly aggressive species and forcefully migrate them into environments where they have an abundance of food and not many natural predators.
Eventually the ecosystem in these areas are ruined leading to a collapse in the supply of seafood causing seafood prices to spike and the lack of diversity causes tourists to avoid the area leading to the general decline of coastal towns.
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Maybe they only need to move the eggs.
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– Harper
43 mins ago
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"abduct highly aggressive species" Um ... won't the aggressive species just eat the salmon?
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– chasly from UK
42 mins ago
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@chaslyfromUK The super smart salmon are also highly aggressive and smarter. They only need to abduct what they can manage and repeat it until they have achieve their desired results. Eggs, Infants and full adult species are all fair game.
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– Shadowzee
41 mins ago
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@Shadowzee - So why don't they just move to these areas themselves and do their own job of ruining the ecosystem? It's a lot easier than trying to abduct unintelligent aggressive fish who don't want to leave!
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– chasly from UK
38 mins ago
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@chaslyfromUK Its a numbers game. It would be more effective in the long term to transport the aggressive species because you can keep transporting them over time. So instead of just 10 salmon, you have 10 catfish. Then 20 catfish. Then 30 catfish. Eventually the catfish population will grow on its own and you can move onto your next location.
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– Shadowzee
31 mins ago
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Make someone overreact
So you swim to North Korea (hopefully the tank was not too far). Once there, you regroup in the shape of a submarine and you slowly approach any US/Japanese/Chinese/North Korean/South Korean warship you can find. Hope someone overreact and press the wrong button. If not, try again.
Playing with nerves
Also every time you see soldiers on small rafts in the area, you capsize them and make them disappear to the bottom of the ocean. This will help people press the wrong button sooner or later.
These kind of boat or smaller would probably be possible to capsize by a sufficient amount of well coordinated salmons:

The holy grail
There is one thing that if you can manage to find, will help you achieve your goal much faster. A water mine!
Maybe there will be some in proximity of some secret North Korean's navy facilities. Find one, bring it in the path of any large warship in the area, and swim away fast.

Escalation
Then let's relax and watch the escalation of violence turn into a nuclear war, naughty salmons.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Make someone overreact
So you swim to North Korea (hopefully the tank was not too far). Once there, you regroup in the shape of a submarine and you slowly approach any US/Japanese/Chinese/North Korean/South Korean warship you can find. Hope someone overreact and press the wrong button. If not, try again.
Playing with nerves
Also every time you see soldiers on small rafts in the area, you capsize them and make them disappear to the bottom of the ocean. This will help people press the wrong button sooner or later.
These kind of boat or smaller would probably be possible to capsize by a sufficient amount of well coordinated salmons:

The holy grail
There is one thing that if you can manage to find, will help you achieve your goal much faster. A water mine!
Maybe there will be some in proximity of some secret North Korean's navy facilities. Find one, bring it in the path of any large warship in the area, and swim away fast.

Escalation
Then let's relax and watch the escalation of violence turn into a nuclear war, naughty salmons.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Make someone overreact
So you swim to North Korea (hopefully the tank was not too far). Once there, you regroup in the shape of a submarine and you slowly approach any US/Japanese/Chinese/North Korean/South Korean warship you can find. Hope someone overreact and press the wrong button. If not, try again.
Playing with nerves
Also every time you see soldiers on small rafts in the area, you capsize them and make them disappear to the bottom of the ocean. This will help people press the wrong button sooner or later.
These kind of boat or smaller would probably be possible to capsize by a sufficient amount of well coordinated salmons:

The holy grail
There is one thing that if you can manage to find, will help you achieve your goal much faster. A water mine!
Maybe there will be some in proximity of some secret North Korean's navy facilities. Find one, bring it in the path of any large warship in the area, and swim away fast.

Escalation
Then let's relax and watch the escalation of violence turn into a nuclear war, naughty salmons.
$endgroup$
Make someone overreact
So you swim to North Korea (hopefully the tank was not too far). Once there, you regroup in the shape of a submarine and you slowly approach any US/Japanese/Chinese/North Korean/South Korean warship you can find. Hope someone overreact and press the wrong button. If not, try again.
Playing with nerves
Also every time you see soldiers on small rafts in the area, you capsize them and make them disappear to the bottom of the ocean. This will help people press the wrong button sooner or later.
These kind of boat or smaller would probably be possible to capsize by a sufficient amount of well coordinated salmons:

The holy grail
There is one thing that if you can manage to find, will help you achieve your goal much faster. A water mine!
Maybe there will be some in proximity of some secret North Korean's navy facilities. Find one, bring it in the path of any large warship in the area, and swim away fast.

Escalation
Then let's relax and watch the escalation of violence turn into a nuclear war, naughty salmons.
edited 1 hour ago
answered 1 hour ago
LegiseyLegisey
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$begingroup$
Let's shut down and/or melt-down some nuclear power plants.
Heck if some brainless Swedish jellyfish could do it in 2013, surely a gang of criminal salmon can manage!
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
I thought of what they could do to bridges or anything that interchanged seawater for cooling, especially after they find a sunken ship full of WWII hand grenades or something...
$endgroup$
– Harper
52 mins ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Let's shut down and/or melt-down some nuclear power plants.
Heck if some brainless Swedish jellyfish could do it in 2013, surely a gang of criminal salmon can manage!
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
I thought of what they could do to bridges or anything that interchanged seawater for cooling, especially after they find a sunken ship full of WWII hand grenades or something...
$endgroup$
– Harper
52 mins ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Let's shut down and/or melt-down some nuclear power plants.
Heck if some brainless Swedish jellyfish could do it in 2013, surely a gang of criminal salmon can manage!
$endgroup$
Let's shut down and/or melt-down some nuclear power plants.
Heck if some brainless Swedish jellyfish could do it in 2013, surely a gang of criminal salmon can manage!
answered 2 hours ago
RogerRoger
1,930113
1,930113
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I thought of what they could do to bridges or anything that interchanged seawater for cooling, especially after they find a sunken ship full of WWII hand grenades or something...
$endgroup$
– Harper
52 mins ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
I thought of what they could do to bridges or anything that interchanged seawater for cooling, especially after they find a sunken ship full of WWII hand grenades or something...
$endgroup$
– Harper
52 mins ago
$begingroup$
I thought of what they could do to bridges or anything that interchanged seawater for cooling, especially after they find a sunken ship full of WWII hand grenades or something...
$endgroup$
– Harper
52 mins ago
$begingroup$
I thought of what they could do to bridges or anything that interchanged seawater for cooling, especially after they find a sunken ship full of WWII hand grenades or something...
$endgroup$
– Harper
52 mins ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
What harm can they do?
Not much. They lack arms/hands and legs/feet. Their ways of communicating will be limited, and whatever they come up with according
forcing them to work together to learn to communicate
that will be some form of communication which works for the giants fish tanks they're being held in. Not a vast ocean.
Besides, most species of salmon only live a few years. The longer the prisoners/salmon had to make plans, the elderly they are.
It's far more likely they will quickly end up as food, or succumb to parasites.
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
These are fair concerns. I edited my question to clarify that communication is viable, they are young specimens of long-lived species, and they are the opposite of dumb fish. They know what to eat, what not to do, how to use tools, and how to effectively fight predators.
$endgroup$
– Harper
1 hour ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
What harm can they do?
Not much. They lack arms/hands and legs/feet. Their ways of communicating will be limited, and whatever they come up with according
forcing them to work together to learn to communicate
that will be some form of communication which works for the giants fish tanks they're being held in. Not a vast ocean.
Besides, most species of salmon only live a few years. The longer the prisoners/salmon had to make plans, the elderly they are.
It's far more likely they will quickly end up as food, or succumb to parasites.
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
These are fair concerns. I edited my question to clarify that communication is viable, they are young specimens of long-lived species, and they are the opposite of dumb fish. They know what to eat, what not to do, how to use tools, and how to effectively fight predators.
$endgroup$
– Harper
1 hour ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
What harm can they do?
Not much. They lack arms/hands and legs/feet. Their ways of communicating will be limited, and whatever they come up with according
forcing them to work together to learn to communicate
that will be some form of communication which works for the giants fish tanks they're being held in. Not a vast ocean.
Besides, most species of salmon only live a few years. The longer the prisoners/salmon had to make plans, the elderly they are.
It's far more likely they will quickly end up as food, or succumb to parasites.
$endgroup$
What harm can they do?
Not much. They lack arms/hands and legs/feet. Their ways of communicating will be limited, and whatever they come up with according
forcing them to work together to learn to communicate
that will be some form of communication which works for the giants fish tanks they're being held in. Not a vast ocean.
Besides, most species of salmon only live a few years. The longer the prisoners/salmon had to make plans, the elderly they are.
It's far more likely they will quickly end up as food, or succumb to parasites.
answered 2 hours ago
AbigailAbigail
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These are fair concerns. I edited my question to clarify that communication is viable, they are young specimens of long-lived species, and they are the opposite of dumb fish. They know what to eat, what not to do, how to use tools, and how to effectively fight predators.
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– Harper
1 hour ago
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These are fair concerns. I edited my question to clarify that communication is viable, they are young specimens of long-lived species, and they are the opposite of dumb fish. They know what to eat, what not to do, how to use tools, and how to effectively fight predators.
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– Harper
1 hour ago
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These are fair concerns. I edited my question to clarify that communication is viable, they are young specimens of long-lived species, and they are the opposite of dumb fish. They know what to eat, what not to do, how to use tools, and how to effectively fight predators.
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– Harper
1 hour ago
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These are fair concerns. I edited my question to clarify that communication is viable, they are young specimens of long-lived species, and they are the opposite of dumb fish. They know what to eat, what not to do, how to use tools, and how to effectively fight predators.
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– Harper
1 hour ago
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Your super smart Salmon want to cause chaos so what they do is abduct highly aggressive species and forcefully migrate them into environments where they have an abundance of food and not many natural predators.
Eventually the ecosystem in these areas are ruined leading to a collapse in the supply of seafood causing seafood prices to spike and the lack of diversity causes tourists to avoid the area leading to the general decline of coastal towns.
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Maybe they only need to move the eggs.
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– Harper
43 mins ago
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"abduct highly aggressive species" Um ... won't the aggressive species just eat the salmon?
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– chasly from UK
42 mins ago
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@chaslyfromUK The super smart salmon are also highly aggressive and smarter. They only need to abduct what they can manage and repeat it until they have achieve their desired results. Eggs, Infants and full adult species are all fair game.
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– Shadowzee
41 mins ago
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@Shadowzee - So why don't they just move to these areas themselves and do their own job of ruining the ecosystem? It's a lot easier than trying to abduct unintelligent aggressive fish who don't want to leave!
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– chasly from UK
38 mins ago
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@chaslyfromUK Its a numbers game. It would be more effective in the long term to transport the aggressive species because you can keep transporting them over time. So instead of just 10 salmon, you have 10 catfish. Then 20 catfish. Then 30 catfish. Eventually the catfish population will grow on its own and you can move onto your next location.
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– Shadowzee
31 mins ago
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Your super smart Salmon want to cause chaos so what they do is abduct highly aggressive species and forcefully migrate them into environments where they have an abundance of food and not many natural predators.
Eventually the ecosystem in these areas are ruined leading to a collapse in the supply of seafood causing seafood prices to spike and the lack of diversity causes tourists to avoid the area leading to the general decline of coastal towns.
$endgroup$
1
$begingroup$
Maybe they only need to move the eggs.
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– Harper
43 mins ago
1
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"abduct highly aggressive species" Um ... won't the aggressive species just eat the salmon?
$endgroup$
– chasly from UK
42 mins ago
$begingroup$
@chaslyfromUK The super smart salmon are also highly aggressive and smarter. They only need to abduct what they can manage and repeat it until they have achieve their desired results. Eggs, Infants and full adult species are all fair game.
$endgroup$
– Shadowzee
41 mins ago
$begingroup$
@Shadowzee - So why don't they just move to these areas themselves and do their own job of ruining the ecosystem? It's a lot easier than trying to abduct unintelligent aggressive fish who don't want to leave!
$endgroup$
– chasly from UK
38 mins ago
$begingroup$
@chaslyfromUK Its a numbers game. It would be more effective in the long term to transport the aggressive species because you can keep transporting them over time. So instead of just 10 salmon, you have 10 catfish. Then 20 catfish. Then 30 catfish. Eventually the catfish population will grow on its own and you can move onto your next location.
$endgroup$
– Shadowzee
31 mins ago
|
show 1 more comment
$begingroup$
Your super smart Salmon want to cause chaos so what they do is abduct highly aggressive species and forcefully migrate them into environments where they have an abundance of food and not many natural predators.
Eventually the ecosystem in these areas are ruined leading to a collapse in the supply of seafood causing seafood prices to spike and the lack of diversity causes tourists to avoid the area leading to the general decline of coastal towns.
$endgroup$
Your super smart Salmon want to cause chaos so what they do is abduct highly aggressive species and forcefully migrate them into environments where they have an abundance of food and not many natural predators.
Eventually the ecosystem in these areas are ruined leading to a collapse in the supply of seafood causing seafood prices to spike and the lack of diversity causes tourists to avoid the area leading to the general decline of coastal towns.
answered 50 mins ago
ShadowzeeShadowzee
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1
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Maybe they only need to move the eggs.
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– Harper
43 mins ago
1
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"abduct highly aggressive species" Um ... won't the aggressive species just eat the salmon?
$endgroup$
– chasly from UK
42 mins ago
$begingroup$
@chaslyfromUK The super smart salmon are also highly aggressive and smarter. They only need to abduct what they can manage and repeat it until they have achieve their desired results. Eggs, Infants and full adult species are all fair game.
$endgroup$
– Shadowzee
41 mins ago
$begingroup$
@Shadowzee - So why don't they just move to these areas themselves and do their own job of ruining the ecosystem? It's a lot easier than trying to abduct unintelligent aggressive fish who don't want to leave!
$endgroup$
– chasly from UK
38 mins ago
$begingroup$
@chaslyfromUK Its a numbers game. It would be more effective in the long term to transport the aggressive species because you can keep transporting them over time. So instead of just 10 salmon, you have 10 catfish. Then 20 catfish. Then 30 catfish. Eventually the catfish population will grow on its own and you can move onto your next location.
$endgroup$
– Shadowzee
31 mins ago
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show 1 more comment
1
$begingroup$
Maybe they only need to move the eggs.
$endgroup$
– Harper
43 mins ago
1
$begingroup$
"abduct highly aggressive species" Um ... won't the aggressive species just eat the salmon?
$endgroup$
– chasly from UK
42 mins ago
$begingroup$
@chaslyfromUK The super smart salmon are also highly aggressive and smarter. They only need to abduct what they can manage and repeat it until they have achieve their desired results. Eggs, Infants and full adult species are all fair game.
$endgroup$
– Shadowzee
41 mins ago
$begingroup$
@Shadowzee - So why don't they just move to these areas themselves and do their own job of ruining the ecosystem? It's a lot easier than trying to abduct unintelligent aggressive fish who don't want to leave!
$endgroup$
– chasly from UK
38 mins ago
$begingroup$
@chaslyfromUK Its a numbers game. It would be more effective in the long term to transport the aggressive species because you can keep transporting them over time. So instead of just 10 salmon, you have 10 catfish. Then 20 catfish. Then 30 catfish. Eventually the catfish population will grow on its own and you can move onto your next location.
$endgroup$
– Shadowzee
31 mins ago
1
1
$begingroup$
Maybe they only need to move the eggs.
$endgroup$
– Harper
43 mins ago
$begingroup$
Maybe they only need to move the eggs.
$endgroup$
– Harper
43 mins ago
1
1
$begingroup$
"abduct highly aggressive species" Um ... won't the aggressive species just eat the salmon?
$endgroup$
– chasly from UK
42 mins ago
$begingroup$
"abduct highly aggressive species" Um ... won't the aggressive species just eat the salmon?
$endgroup$
– chasly from UK
42 mins ago
$begingroup$
@chaslyfromUK The super smart salmon are also highly aggressive and smarter. They only need to abduct what they can manage and repeat it until they have achieve their desired results. Eggs, Infants and full adult species are all fair game.
$endgroup$
– Shadowzee
41 mins ago
$begingroup$
@chaslyfromUK The super smart salmon are also highly aggressive and smarter. They only need to abduct what they can manage and repeat it until they have achieve their desired results. Eggs, Infants and full adult species are all fair game.
$endgroup$
– Shadowzee
41 mins ago
$begingroup$
@Shadowzee - So why don't they just move to these areas themselves and do their own job of ruining the ecosystem? It's a lot easier than trying to abduct unintelligent aggressive fish who don't want to leave!
$endgroup$
– chasly from UK
38 mins ago
$begingroup$
@Shadowzee - So why don't they just move to these areas themselves and do their own job of ruining the ecosystem? It's a lot easier than trying to abduct unintelligent aggressive fish who don't want to leave!
$endgroup$
– chasly from UK
38 mins ago
$begingroup$
@chaslyfromUK Its a numbers game. It would be more effective in the long term to transport the aggressive species because you can keep transporting them over time. So instead of just 10 salmon, you have 10 catfish. Then 20 catfish. Then 30 catfish. Eventually the catfish population will grow on its own and you can move onto your next location.
$endgroup$
– Shadowzee
31 mins ago
$begingroup$
@chaslyfromUK Its a numbers game. It would be more effective in the long term to transport the aggressive species because you can keep transporting them over time. So instead of just 10 salmon, you have 10 catfish. Then 20 catfish. Then 30 catfish. Eventually the catfish population will grow on its own and you can move onto your next location.
$endgroup$
– Shadowzee
31 mins ago
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Is everything still flooded?
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– Gimelist
2 hours ago
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The floodwaters recede after a few minutes. The prisoners don't hang around to get beached on a sidewalk when the water recedes, they make for the open sea. Predators have a hard time with them because they use weapons as able, and human tactics.
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– Harper
2 hours ago
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"they use weapons" - what kind of weapons?
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– Alexander
2 hours ago
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Can a whole school of fish dress pass as a woman in an overcoat in order to lure the armored car into the water?
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– user535733
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@Harper - This is so far fetched that it seems impossible to answer. Violent criminal Ichthyologists? Really? Knowing where they are in the middle of an ocean with no navigation equipment? They know how to use tools - What tools - did they find them in the tank? Did they make them by mining the seabed for ore and smelting the resulting metal underwater?
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– chasly from UK
46 mins ago