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I forgot to hang up the fuel pump and broke it off and costed around 80 dollars to replace. While there I wandered could this be adapted to a rocket in some way?



How much fuel capacity would be saved if the fuel was fed to the rocket to keep it topped off until it has fully left the launch tower? The length of the fuel line and break away valve would be the height of the launch tower.



Could it be fed through an extended tower with a fuel line that travels aside the rocket not to burden the rocket with the weight of the fuel line or cause a whip in the fuel line?



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    I forgot to hang up the fuel pump and broke it off and costed around 80 dollars to replace. While there I wandered could this be adapted to a rocket in some way?



    How much fuel capacity would be saved if the fuel was fed to the rocket to keep it topped off until it has fully left the launch tower? The length of the fuel line and break away valve would be the height of the launch tower.



    Could it be fed through an extended tower with a fuel line that travels aside the rocket not to burden the rocket with the weight of the fuel line or cause a whip in the fuel line?



    enter image description here
    https://sputniknews.com/science/201812291071085215-soyuz-launch-russia-uk-satellite/










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      I forgot to hang up the fuel pump and broke it off and costed around 80 dollars to replace. While there I wandered could this be adapted to a rocket in some way?



      How much fuel capacity would be saved if the fuel was fed to the rocket to keep it topped off until it has fully left the launch tower? The length of the fuel line and break away valve would be the height of the launch tower.



      Could it be fed through an extended tower with a fuel line that travels aside the rocket not to burden the rocket with the weight of the fuel line or cause a whip in the fuel line?



      enter image description here
      https://sputniknews.com/science/201812291071085215-soyuz-launch-russia-uk-satellite/










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      I forgot to hang up the fuel pump and broke it off and costed around 80 dollars to replace. While there I wandered could this be adapted to a rocket in some way?



      How much fuel capacity would be saved if the fuel was fed to the rocket to keep it topped off until it has fully left the launch tower? The length of the fuel line and break away valve would be the height of the launch tower.



      Could it be fed through an extended tower with a fuel line that travels aside the rocket not to burden the rocket with the weight of the fuel line or cause a whip in the fuel line?



      enter image description here
      https://sputniknews.com/science/201812291071085215-soyuz-launch-russia-uk-satellite/







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          Theoretically yes. However there are concerns:



          1) Propellant load is dangerous under the best circumstances. Add in all the vibration loads of an "on" rocket and you have a doozie.



          2) Most rockets already have umbilicals that disconnect slightly after liftoff. The recent Rocketlab launch video has a good angle of this



          3) It's a bit of added weight and complexity.



          These are all surmountable, but then what would you be gaining? I'm sure someone can do a calculation (slightly related to this question) but I suspect it's a negligible amount of payload/mass gain.






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            If you think about it it is saved weight need less fuel storage.
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            Could you clarify?
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            You can off set the onboard fuel needed for the mission saving weight for heavier payload.
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          $begingroup$

          Theoretically yes. However there are concerns:



          1) Propellant load is dangerous under the best circumstances. Add in all the vibration loads of an "on" rocket and you have a doozie.



          2) Most rockets already have umbilicals that disconnect slightly after liftoff. The recent Rocketlab launch video has a good angle of this



          3) It's a bit of added weight and complexity.



          These are all surmountable, but then what would you be gaining? I'm sure someone can do a calculation (slightly related to this question) but I suspect it's a negligible amount of payload/mass gain.






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          • $begingroup$
            If you think about it it is saved weight need less fuel storage.
            $endgroup$
            – Muze
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          • $begingroup$
            Could you clarify?
            $endgroup$
            – randomUsername
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          • $begingroup$
            You can off set the onboard fuel needed for the mission saving weight for heavier payload.
            $endgroup$
            – Muze
            25 mins ago
















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          $begingroup$

          Theoretically yes. However there are concerns:



          1) Propellant load is dangerous under the best circumstances. Add in all the vibration loads of an "on" rocket and you have a doozie.



          2) Most rockets already have umbilicals that disconnect slightly after liftoff. The recent Rocketlab launch video has a good angle of this



          3) It's a bit of added weight and complexity.



          These are all surmountable, but then what would you be gaining? I'm sure someone can do a calculation (slightly related to this question) but I suspect it's a negligible amount of payload/mass gain.






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          • $begingroup$
            If you think about it it is saved weight need less fuel storage.
            $endgroup$
            – Muze
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            Could you clarify?
            $endgroup$
            – randomUsername
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            You can off set the onboard fuel needed for the mission saving weight for heavier payload.
            $endgroup$
            – Muze
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          $begingroup$

          Theoretically yes. However there are concerns:



          1) Propellant load is dangerous under the best circumstances. Add in all the vibration loads of an "on" rocket and you have a doozie.



          2) Most rockets already have umbilicals that disconnect slightly after liftoff. The recent Rocketlab launch video has a good angle of this



          3) It's a bit of added weight and complexity.



          These are all surmountable, but then what would you be gaining? I'm sure someone can do a calculation (slightly related to this question) but I suspect it's a negligible amount of payload/mass gain.






          share|improve this answer









          $endgroup$



          Theoretically yes. However there are concerns:



          1) Propellant load is dangerous under the best circumstances. Add in all the vibration loads of an "on" rocket and you have a doozie.



          2) Most rockets already have umbilicals that disconnect slightly after liftoff. The recent Rocketlab launch video has a good angle of this



          3) It's a bit of added weight and complexity.



          These are all surmountable, but then what would you be gaining? I'm sure someone can do a calculation (slightly related to this question) but I suspect it's a negligible amount of payload/mass gain.







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          • $begingroup$
            If you think about it it is saved weight need less fuel storage.
            $endgroup$
            – Muze
            34 mins ago










          • $begingroup$
            Could you clarify?
            $endgroup$
            – randomUsername
            31 mins ago










          • $begingroup$
            You can off set the onboard fuel needed for the mission saving weight for heavier payload.
            $endgroup$
            – Muze
            25 mins ago


















          • $begingroup$
            If you think about it it is saved weight need less fuel storage.
            $endgroup$
            – Muze
            34 mins ago










          • $begingroup$
            Could you clarify?
            $endgroup$
            – randomUsername
            31 mins ago










          • $begingroup$
            You can off set the onboard fuel needed for the mission saving weight for heavier payload.
            $endgroup$
            – Muze
            25 mins ago
















          $begingroup$
          If you think about it it is saved weight need less fuel storage.
          $endgroup$
          – Muze
          34 mins ago




          $begingroup$
          If you think about it it is saved weight need less fuel storage.
          $endgroup$
          – Muze
          34 mins ago












          $begingroup$
          Could you clarify?
          $endgroup$
          – randomUsername
          31 mins ago




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          Could you clarify?
          $endgroup$
          – randomUsername
          31 mins ago












          $begingroup$
          You can off set the onboard fuel needed for the mission saving weight for heavier payload.
          $endgroup$
          – Muze
          25 mins ago




          $begingroup$
          You can off set the onboard fuel needed for the mission saving weight for heavier payload.
          $endgroup$
          – Muze
          25 mins ago


















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