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I'm planning on buying a house sometime in the Winter of 2020 to spring 2021.



Currently, my credit score is about 770 and I have the following open credit lines:




  • A 2.5 year old $25,000 Prosper loan with a $12,000 balance with 2.5 years to go.

  • A gold American Express that has been open since 1998

  • A First National Bank American Express with $0 balance, $12,000 limit open since 2013

  • A Visa card with $0 balance, $4100 limit open since 2013

  • A Citibank Mastercard, $11,000 balance, $25,000 limit, open since 2013

  • A Citibank Mastercard, $0 balance, $11,000 limit, open since 2014


So, about $77,100 available of which $23,000 is used or about 30% utilizaton



I am paying down the open lines and should be finished with that by the end of the year.



I never use the $4100 Visa or the First National Bank AmEx. And, I received an offer for a $10,000 limit Visa at %9.15 from my credit union.



That is a substantially better rate than any of my other cards and I was considering closing both of the unused accounts. This would result in:



$71,000 available, $23,000 used and 32.39% utilization.



So, doing this will increase my utilization, lower the average age of my credit, and result in a hard query on my account.



I have 2 questions:




  1. Is there a way to determine how much doing this will lower my score?

  2. If I do it, will my score recover by the winter of 2020 when I start looking for home loans.


Any insight that you can provide would be appreciated.










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    Is the only reason you want to get the new card because it has a better rate? If you're paying off cards on time (as you should) and not carrying a balance, then the rate is inconsequential.

    – Nosjack
    4 hours ago











  • Care to share how you know your current score? Is it an actual FICO or an estimated one from a third party?

    – JoeTaxpayer
    3 hours ago


















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I'm planning on buying a house sometime in the Winter of 2020 to spring 2021.



Currently, my credit score is about 770 and I have the following open credit lines:




  • A 2.5 year old $25,000 Prosper loan with a $12,000 balance with 2.5 years to go.

  • A gold American Express that has been open since 1998

  • A First National Bank American Express with $0 balance, $12,000 limit open since 2013

  • A Visa card with $0 balance, $4100 limit open since 2013

  • A Citibank Mastercard, $11,000 balance, $25,000 limit, open since 2013

  • A Citibank Mastercard, $0 balance, $11,000 limit, open since 2014


So, about $77,100 available of which $23,000 is used or about 30% utilizaton



I am paying down the open lines and should be finished with that by the end of the year.



I never use the $4100 Visa or the First National Bank AmEx. And, I received an offer for a $10,000 limit Visa at %9.15 from my credit union.



That is a substantially better rate than any of my other cards and I was considering closing both of the unused accounts. This would result in:



$71,000 available, $23,000 used and 32.39% utilization.



So, doing this will increase my utilization, lower the average age of my credit, and result in a hard query on my account.



I have 2 questions:




  1. Is there a way to determine how much doing this will lower my score?

  2. If I do it, will my score recover by the winter of 2020 when I start looking for home loans.


Any insight that you can provide would be appreciated.










share|improve this question




















  • 2





    Is the only reason you want to get the new card because it has a better rate? If you're paying off cards on time (as you should) and not carrying a balance, then the rate is inconsequential.

    – Nosjack
    4 hours ago











  • Care to share how you know your current score? Is it an actual FICO or an estimated one from a third party?

    – JoeTaxpayer
    3 hours ago














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I'm planning on buying a house sometime in the Winter of 2020 to spring 2021.



Currently, my credit score is about 770 and I have the following open credit lines:




  • A 2.5 year old $25,000 Prosper loan with a $12,000 balance with 2.5 years to go.

  • A gold American Express that has been open since 1998

  • A First National Bank American Express with $0 balance, $12,000 limit open since 2013

  • A Visa card with $0 balance, $4100 limit open since 2013

  • A Citibank Mastercard, $11,000 balance, $25,000 limit, open since 2013

  • A Citibank Mastercard, $0 balance, $11,000 limit, open since 2014


So, about $77,100 available of which $23,000 is used or about 30% utilizaton



I am paying down the open lines and should be finished with that by the end of the year.



I never use the $4100 Visa or the First National Bank AmEx. And, I received an offer for a $10,000 limit Visa at %9.15 from my credit union.



That is a substantially better rate than any of my other cards and I was considering closing both of the unused accounts. This would result in:



$71,000 available, $23,000 used and 32.39% utilization.



So, doing this will increase my utilization, lower the average age of my credit, and result in a hard query on my account.



I have 2 questions:




  1. Is there a way to determine how much doing this will lower my score?

  2. If I do it, will my score recover by the winter of 2020 when I start looking for home loans.


Any insight that you can provide would be appreciated.










share|improve this question
















I'm planning on buying a house sometime in the Winter of 2020 to spring 2021.



Currently, my credit score is about 770 and I have the following open credit lines:




  • A 2.5 year old $25,000 Prosper loan with a $12,000 balance with 2.5 years to go.

  • A gold American Express that has been open since 1998

  • A First National Bank American Express with $0 balance, $12,000 limit open since 2013

  • A Visa card with $0 balance, $4100 limit open since 2013

  • A Citibank Mastercard, $11,000 balance, $25,000 limit, open since 2013

  • A Citibank Mastercard, $0 balance, $11,000 limit, open since 2014


So, about $77,100 available of which $23,000 is used or about 30% utilizaton



I am paying down the open lines and should be finished with that by the end of the year.



I never use the $4100 Visa or the First National Bank AmEx. And, I received an offer for a $10,000 limit Visa at %9.15 from my credit union.



That is a substantially better rate than any of my other cards and I was considering closing both of the unused accounts. This would result in:



$71,000 available, $23,000 used and 32.39% utilization.



So, doing this will increase my utilization, lower the average age of my credit, and result in a hard query on my account.



I have 2 questions:




  1. Is there a way to determine how much doing this will lower my score?

  2. If I do it, will my score recover by the winter of 2020 when I start looking for home loans.


Any insight that you can provide would be appreciated.







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    Is the only reason you want to get the new card because it has a better rate? If you're paying off cards on time (as you should) and not carrying a balance, then the rate is inconsequential.

    – Nosjack
    4 hours ago











  • Care to share how you know your current score? Is it an actual FICO or an estimated one from a third party?

    – JoeTaxpayer
    3 hours ago














  • 2





    Is the only reason you want to get the new card because it has a better rate? If you're paying off cards on time (as you should) and not carrying a balance, then the rate is inconsequential.

    – Nosjack
    4 hours ago











  • Care to share how you know your current score? Is it an actual FICO or an estimated one from a third party?

    – JoeTaxpayer
    3 hours ago








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Is the only reason you want to get the new card because it has a better rate? If you're paying off cards on time (as you should) and not carrying a balance, then the rate is inconsequential.

– Nosjack
4 hours ago





Is the only reason you want to get the new card because it has a better rate? If you're paying off cards on time (as you should) and not carrying a balance, then the rate is inconsequential.

– Nosjack
4 hours ago













Care to share how you know your current score? Is it an actual FICO or an estimated one from a third party?

– JoeTaxpayer
3 hours ago





Care to share how you know your current score? Is it an actual FICO or an estimated one from a third party?

– JoeTaxpayer
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Despite what the lender funded media suggests you should close un-utilized accounts and get that Prosper loan and credit card paid off ASAP. If it were me, at most, I would keep the AMEX and one other card. By the time you are ready to buy a home your score will be the highest possible.



This exactly happened to me and many others I have spoken with. Pay off your debt, close accounts and your score skyrockets.



However, this really doesn't matter. Anything above 730 is vanity. Your go/no go decision will all be income and down payment based.



In summary the best thing you can do, in order, is:




  1. Pay off that credit card and Prosper loan.

  2. Save a down payment of 20%

  3. Close credit card accounts

  4. Save even more






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  • 740 and 760 are frequently used as cutoffs for 'excellent' credit, so maybe some real benefit to getting over 730, but the point is valid that above some number it doesn't do much if any good to have a higher score.

    – Hart CO
    2 hours ago



















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Call me vain, but when it took me a ten minute phone call to get a $250K HELOC approved with no tax returns and no income (literally, we are retired), I'll wear my 850 FICO score on my hat.



You are in great shape. Be mindful of the factors that make up your score.



enter image description here



Adding the new card will -




  • Lower your utilization

  • Lower your credit history (# of years average account age)

  • Add an inquiry/ New Credit


Killing an old card will




  • Raise utilization

  • Lower average account age


You really have 2 issues. The first is whether to get the new card. Yes. Of course. Lowering your current interest burden is quantifiable, you can calculate the savings, and have a relatively low interest source of cash.



The second is what to get rid of. All due respect to @PeteB I'd wait before getting rid of any current cards for the reason above. I happen to use Credit Karma to track my score, and am able to see impact from adding a card or removing one. I carry no debt, and after getting a grip on the fact that running my expenses through credit cards will show a 'balance' so I pay in full before the balance is reported, I'm still careful with which accounts I'll add or remove. As long as the unused card carry no fee, I'd wait until after the mortgage is closed. Long term, the goal should be to have only cards that provide a unique benefit. I have one with 2% cash on all purchases. Another with 5% back on Amazon. Etc.



After you have your mortgage, I'd review the benefits of each card you have, and figure out a strategy moving forward. For example, the last card I got gave me $1200 worth of miles for my first $1000 worth of spending. (The kid transferred colleges, so that card may not be useful for long, but it was worth the effort for the return I got).






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    Despite what the lender funded media suggests you should close un-utilized accounts and get that Prosper loan and credit card paid off ASAP. If it were me, at most, I would keep the AMEX and one other card. By the time you are ready to buy a home your score will be the highest possible.



    This exactly happened to me and many others I have spoken with. Pay off your debt, close accounts and your score skyrockets.



    However, this really doesn't matter. Anything above 730 is vanity. Your go/no go decision will all be income and down payment based.



    In summary the best thing you can do, in order, is:




    1. Pay off that credit card and Prosper loan.

    2. Save a down payment of 20%

    3. Close credit card accounts

    4. Save even more






    share|improve this answer


























    • 740 and 760 are frequently used as cutoffs for 'excellent' credit, so maybe some real benefit to getting over 730, but the point is valid that above some number it doesn't do much if any good to have a higher score.

      – Hart CO
      2 hours ago
















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    Despite what the lender funded media suggests you should close un-utilized accounts and get that Prosper loan and credit card paid off ASAP. If it were me, at most, I would keep the AMEX and one other card. By the time you are ready to buy a home your score will be the highest possible.



    This exactly happened to me and many others I have spoken with. Pay off your debt, close accounts and your score skyrockets.



    However, this really doesn't matter. Anything above 730 is vanity. Your go/no go decision will all be income and down payment based.



    In summary the best thing you can do, in order, is:




    1. Pay off that credit card and Prosper loan.

    2. Save a down payment of 20%

    3. Close credit card accounts

    4. Save even more






    share|improve this answer


























    • 740 and 760 are frequently used as cutoffs for 'excellent' credit, so maybe some real benefit to getting over 730, but the point is valid that above some number it doesn't do much if any good to have a higher score.

      – Hart CO
      2 hours ago














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    Despite what the lender funded media suggests you should close un-utilized accounts and get that Prosper loan and credit card paid off ASAP. If it were me, at most, I would keep the AMEX and one other card. By the time you are ready to buy a home your score will be the highest possible.



    This exactly happened to me and many others I have spoken with. Pay off your debt, close accounts and your score skyrockets.



    However, this really doesn't matter. Anything above 730 is vanity. Your go/no go decision will all be income and down payment based.



    In summary the best thing you can do, in order, is:




    1. Pay off that credit card and Prosper loan.

    2. Save a down payment of 20%

    3. Close credit card accounts

    4. Save even more






    share|improve this answer















    Despite what the lender funded media suggests you should close un-utilized accounts and get that Prosper loan and credit card paid off ASAP. If it were me, at most, I would keep the AMEX and one other card. By the time you are ready to buy a home your score will be the highest possible.



    This exactly happened to me and many others I have spoken with. Pay off your debt, close accounts and your score skyrockets.



    However, this really doesn't matter. Anything above 730 is vanity. Your go/no go decision will all be income and down payment based.



    In summary the best thing you can do, in order, is:




    1. Pay off that credit card and Prosper loan.

    2. Save a down payment of 20%

    3. Close credit card accounts

    4. Save even more







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    • 740 and 760 are frequently used as cutoffs for 'excellent' credit, so maybe some real benefit to getting over 730, but the point is valid that above some number it doesn't do much if any good to have a higher score.

      – Hart CO
      2 hours ago



















    • 740 and 760 are frequently used as cutoffs for 'excellent' credit, so maybe some real benefit to getting over 730, but the point is valid that above some number it doesn't do much if any good to have a higher score.

      – Hart CO
      2 hours ago

















    740 and 760 are frequently used as cutoffs for 'excellent' credit, so maybe some real benefit to getting over 730, but the point is valid that above some number it doesn't do much if any good to have a higher score.

    – Hart CO
    2 hours ago





    740 and 760 are frequently used as cutoffs for 'excellent' credit, so maybe some real benefit to getting over 730, but the point is valid that above some number it doesn't do much if any good to have a higher score.

    – Hart CO
    2 hours ago













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    Call me vain, but when it took me a ten minute phone call to get a $250K HELOC approved with no tax returns and no income (literally, we are retired), I'll wear my 850 FICO score on my hat.



    You are in great shape. Be mindful of the factors that make up your score.



    enter image description here



    Adding the new card will -




    • Lower your utilization

    • Lower your credit history (# of years average account age)

    • Add an inquiry/ New Credit


    Killing an old card will




    • Raise utilization

    • Lower average account age


    You really have 2 issues. The first is whether to get the new card. Yes. Of course. Lowering your current interest burden is quantifiable, you can calculate the savings, and have a relatively low interest source of cash.



    The second is what to get rid of. All due respect to @PeteB I'd wait before getting rid of any current cards for the reason above. I happen to use Credit Karma to track my score, and am able to see impact from adding a card or removing one. I carry no debt, and after getting a grip on the fact that running my expenses through credit cards will show a 'balance' so I pay in full before the balance is reported, I'm still careful with which accounts I'll add or remove. As long as the unused card carry no fee, I'd wait until after the mortgage is closed. Long term, the goal should be to have only cards that provide a unique benefit. I have one with 2% cash on all purchases. Another with 5% back on Amazon. Etc.



    After you have your mortgage, I'd review the benefits of each card you have, and figure out a strategy moving forward. For example, the last card I got gave me $1200 worth of miles for my first $1000 worth of spending. (The kid transferred colleges, so that card may not be useful for long, but it was worth the effort for the return I got).






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      Call me vain, but when it took me a ten minute phone call to get a $250K HELOC approved with no tax returns and no income (literally, we are retired), I'll wear my 850 FICO score on my hat.



      You are in great shape. Be mindful of the factors that make up your score.



      enter image description here



      Adding the new card will -




      • Lower your utilization

      • Lower your credit history (# of years average account age)

      • Add an inquiry/ New Credit


      Killing an old card will




      • Raise utilization

      • Lower average account age


      You really have 2 issues. The first is whether to get the new card. Yes. Of course. Lowering your current interest burden is quantifiable, you can calculate the savings, and have a relatively low interest source of cash.



      The second is what to get rid of. All due respect to @PeteB I'd wait before getting rid of any current cards for the reason above. I happen to use Credit Karma to track my score, and am able to see impact from adding a card or removing one. I carry no debt, and after getting a grip on the fact that running my expenses through credit cards will show a 'balance' so I pay in full before the balance is reported, I'm still careful with which accounts I'll add or remove. As long as the unused card carry no fee, I'd wait until after the mortgage is closed. Long term, the goal should be to have only cards that provide a unique benefit. I have one with 2% cash on all purchases. Another with 5% back on Amazon. Etc.



      After you have your mortgage, I'd review the benefits of each card you have, and figure out a strategy moving forward. For example, the last card I got gave me $1200 worth of miles for my first $1000 worth of spending. (The kid transferred colleges, so that card may not be useful for long, but it was worth the effort for the return I got).






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        Call me vain, but when it took me a ten minute phone call to get a $250K HELOC approved with no tax returns and no income (literally, we are retired), I'll wear my 850 FICO score on my hat.



        You are in great shape. Be mindful of the factors that make up your score.



        enter image description here



        Adding the new card will -




        • Lower your utilization

        • Lower your credit history (# of years average account age)

        • Add an inquiry/ New Credit


        Killing an old card will




        • Raise utilization

        • Lower average account age


        You really have 2 issues. The first is whether to get the new card. Yes. Of course. Lowering your current interest burden is quantifiable, you can calculate the savings, and have a relatively low interest source of cash.



        The second is what to get rid of. All due respect to @PeteB I'd wait before getting rid of any current cards for the reason above. I happen to use Credit Karma to track my score, and am able to see impact from adding a card or removing one. I carry no debt, and after getting a grip on the fact that running my expenses through credit cards will show a 'balance' so I pay in full before the balance is reported, I'm still careful with which accounts I'll add or remove. As long as the unused card carry no fee, I'd wait until after the mortgage is closed. Long term, the goal should be to have only cards that provide a unique benefit. I have one with 2% cash on all purchases. Another with 5% back on Amazon. Etc.



        After you have your mortgage, I'd review the benefits of each card you have, and figure out a strategy moving forward. For example, the last card I got gave me $1200 worth of miles for my first $1000 worth of spending. (The kid transferred colleges, so that card may not be useful for long, but it was worth the effort for the return I got).






        share|improve this answer













        Call me vain, but when it took me a ten minute phone call to get a $250K HELOC approved with no tax returns and no income (literally, we are retired), I'll wear my 850 FICO score on my hat.



        You are in great shape. Be mindful of the factors that make up your score.



        enter image description here



        Adding the new card will -




        • Lower your utilization

        • Lower your credit history (# of years average account age)

        • Add an inquiry/ New Credit


        Killing an old card will




        • Raise utilization

        • Lower average account age


        You really have 2 issues. The first is whether to get the new card. Yes. Of course. Lowering your current interest burden is quantifiable, you can calculate the savings, and have a relatively low interest source of cash.



        The second is what to get rid of. All due respect to @PeteB I'd wait before getting rid of any current cards for the reason above. I happen to use Credit Karma to track my score, and am able to see impact from adding a card or removing one. I carry no debt, and after getting a grip on the fact that running my expenses through credit cards will show a 'balance' so I pay in full before the balance is reported, I'm still careful with which accounts I'll add or remove. As long as the unused card carry no fee, I'd wait until after the mortgage is closed. Long term, the goal should be to have only cards that provide a unique benefit. I have one with 2% cash on all purchases. Another with 5% back on Amazon. Etc.



        After you have your mortgage, I'd review the benefits of each card you have, and figure out a strategy moving forward. For example, the last card I got gave me $1200 worth of miles for my first $1000 worth of spending. (The kid transferred colleges, so that card may not be useful for long, but it was worth the effort for the return I got).







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