Why Is Death Allowed In the Matrix?Can the “mind” make injuries real like in the Matrix?Other than Neo...
Is a tag line useful on a cover?
What do you call a Matrix-like slowdown and camera movement effect?
Why don't electron-positron collisions release infinite energy?
What's the point of deactivating Num Lock on login screens?
Why Is Death Allowed In the Matrix?
The use of multiple foreign keys on same column in SQL Server
Is it unprofessional to ask if a job posting on GlassDoor is real?
Test whether all array elements are factors of a number
Fencing style for blades that can attack from a distance
can i play a electric guitar through a bass amp?
Why are electrically insulating heatsinks so rare? Is it just cost?
"to be prejudice towards/against someone" vs "to be prejudiced against/towards someone"
What does "Puller Prush Person" mean?
Approximately how much travel time was saved by the opening of the Suez Canal in 1869?
How is the claim "I am in New York only if I am in America" the same as "If I am in New York, then I am in America?
Why "Having chlorophyll without photosynthesis is actually very dangerous" and "like living with a bomb"?
Languages that we cannot (dis)prove to be Context-Free
Why does Kotter return in Welcome Back Kotter?
Which models of the Boeing 737 are still in production?
Can divisibility rules for digits be generalized to sum of digits
Email Account under attack (really) - anything I can do?
Has the BBC provided arguments for saying Brexit being cancelled is unlikely?
"You are your self first supporter", a more proper way to say it
Is it tax fraud for an individual to declare non-taxable revenue as taxable income? (US tax laws)
Why Is Death Allowed In the Matrix?
Can the “mind” make injuries real like in the Matrix?Other than Neo Stopping the Machine Weapons, Are There Clues the Real World is Another Matrix?What did Zion think would happen to the blue pills if they succeeded in destroying the Matrix?If the Agents wanted Morpheus over Neo then why only use three agents?Relationship of illness outside the Matrix to illness inside the MatrixHow can they hack the Matrix, wirelessly?What happens to a person after they die in the Matrix?Why do the Matrix machines not implement a backup system?Are there signs that the Matrix holds any technological resemblance to out-of-universe computers?How did the first generation of people become born/plugged into the Matrix?
.everyoneloves__top-leaderboard:empty,.everyoneloves__mid-leaderboard:empty,.everyoneloves__bot-mid-leaderboard:empty{ margin-bottom:0;
}
It seems as if war/death/etc is just as common in the Matrix as it is in real life outside of the movie. When someone dies in the Matrix, they die in their pod, do they not? = Loss of a battery. That is a whole lot of wasted batteries. Why do the machines allow a world with so much death?
the-matrix
New contributor
|
show 1 more comment
It seems as if war/death/etc is just as common in the Matrix as it is in real life outside of the movie. When someone dies in the Matrix, they die in their pod, do they not? = Loss of a battery. That is a whole lot of wasted batteries. Why do the machines allow a world with so much death?
the-matrix
New contributor
2
There is no war inside the Matrix, as far as I'm aware. There are certainly a vanishingly small number of terrorists, but that's not the same thing
– Valorum
16 hours ago
1
then why the military helicopter and military complex? this means there is war. the world in the matrix (1990's) looks just like the real 1990's. Guns and gangs and drugs to boot. Why would the machines allow this?
– user113769
16 hours ago
You have to remember that Zion is a gigantic honeypot for malcontents and that The Matrix is designed to provide them with a series of escalating challenges ranging from local security, the police, the military and then finally Agents. It's only when The One arises that military buildings become accessible to the Zionese rebels.
– Valorum
16 hours ago
7
The matrix needs to feel real, otherwise people rebel and disbelieve in the fake reality, causing issues. I believe that there was a conversation in the movies that mentioned that the bots created a utopia like world, but it didn't take. In order for people to feel that it is real they would need wars and crime, and death would need to be permanent. My guess that over time the bots found the most efficient ratio of strife/death to peace to suit their needs.
– Robert Hanson
11 hours ago
user113769 Because active military defense is one of the ways you prevent wars.
– Misha R
10 hours ago
|
show 1 more comment
It seems as if war/death/etc is just as common in the Matrix as it is in real life outside of the movie. When someone dies in the Matrix, they die in their pod, do they not? = Loss of a battery. That is a whole lot of wasted batteries. Why do the machines allow a world with so much death?
the-matrix
New contributor
It seems as if war/death/etc is just as common in the Matrix as it is in real life outside of the movie. When someone dies in the Matrix, they die in their pod, do they not? = Loss of a battery. That is a whole lot of wasted batteries. Why do the machines allow a world with so much death?
the-matrix
the-matrix
New contributor
New contributor
edited 16 hours ago
Rebel-Scum
4,55042449
4,55042449
New contributor
asked 16 hours ago
user113769user113769
564
564
New contributor
New contributor
2
There is no war inside the Matrix, as far as I'm aware. There are certainly a vanishingly small number of terrorists, but that's not the same thing
– Valorum
16 hours ago
1
then why the military helicopter and military complex? this means there is war. the world in the matrix (1990's) looks just like the real 1990's. Guns and gangs and drugs to boot. Why would the machines allow this?
– user113769
16 hours ago
You have to remember that Zion is a gigantic honeypot for malcontents and that The Matrix is designed to provide them with a series of escalating challenges ranging from local security, the police, the military and then finally Agents. It's only when The One arises that military buildings become accessible to the Zionese rebels.
– Valorum
16 hours ago
7
The matrix needs to feel real, otherwise people rebel and disbelieve in the fake reality, causing issues. I believe that there was a conversation in the movies that mentioned that the bots created a utopia like world, but it didn't take. In order for people to feel that it is real they would need wars and crime, and death would need to be permanent. My guess that over time the bots found the most efficient ratio of strife/death to peace to suit their needs.
– Robert Hanson
11 hours ago
user113769 Because active military defense is one of the ways you prevent wars.
– Misha R
10 hours ago
|
show 1 more comment
2
There is no war inside the Matrix, as far as I'm aware. There are certainly a vanishingly small number of terrorists, but that's not the same thing
– Valorum
16 hours ago
1
then why the military helicopter and military complex? this means there is war. the world in the matrix (1990's) looks just like the real 1990's. Guns and gangs and drugs to boot. Why would the machines allow this?
– user113769
16 hours ago
You have to remember that Zion is a gigantic honeypot for malcontents and that The Matrix is designed to provide them with a series of escalating challenges ranging from local security, the police, the military and then finally Agents. It's only when The One arises that military buildings become accessible to the Zionese rebels.
– Valorum
16 hours ago
7
The matrix needs to feel real, otherwise people rebel and disbelieve in the fake reality, causing issues. I believe that there was a conversation in the movies that mentioned that the bots created a utopia like world, but it didn't take. In order for people to feel that it is real they would need wars and crime, and death would need to be permanent. My guess that over time the bots found the most efficient ratio of strife/death to peace to suit their needs.
– Robert Hanson
11 hours ago
user113769 Because active military defense is one of the ways you prevent wars.
– Misha R
10 hours ago
2
2
There is no war inside the Matrix, as far as I'm aware. There are certainly a vanishingly small number of terrorists, but that's not the same thing
– Valorum
16 hours ago
There is no war inside the Matrix, as far as I'm aware. There are certainly a vanishingly small number of terrorists, but that's not the same thing
– Valorum
16 hours ago
1
1
then why the military helicopter and military complex? this means there is war. the world in the matrix (1990's) looks just like the real 1990's. Guns and gangs and drugs to boot. Why would the machines allow this?
– user113769
16 hours ago
then why the military helicopter and military complex? this means there is war. the world in the matrix (1990's) looks just like the real 1990's. Guns and gangs and drugs to boot. Why would the machines allow this?
– user113769
16 hours ago
You have to remember that Zion is a gigantic honeypot for malcontents and that The Matrix is designed to provide them with a series of escalating challenges ranging from local security, the police, the military and then finally Agents. It's only when The One arises that military buildings become accessible to the Zionese rebels.
– Valorum
16 hours ago
You have to remember that Zion is a gigantic honeypot for malcontents and that The Matrix is designed to provide them with a series of escalating challenges ranging from local security, the police, the military and then finally Agents. It's only when The One arises that military buildings become accessible to the Zionese rebels.
– Valorum
16 hours ago
7
7
The matrix needs to feel real, otherwise people rebel and disbelieve in the fake reality, causing issues. I believe that there was a conversation in the movies that mentioned that the bots created a utopia like world, but it didn't take. In order for people to feel that it is real they would need wars and crime, and death would need to be permanent. My guess that over time the bots found the most efficient ratio of strife/death to peace to suit their needs.
– Robert Hanson
11 hours ago
The matrix needs to feel real, otherwise people rebel and disbelieve in the fake reality, causing issues. I believe that there was a conversation in the movies that mentioned that the bots created a utopia like world, but it didn't take. In order for people to feel that it is real they would need wars and crime, and death would need to be permanent. My guess that over time the bots found the most efficient ratio of strife/death to peace to suit their needs.
– Robert Hanson
11 hours ago
user113769 Because active military defense is one of the ways you prevent wars.
– Misha R
10 hours ago
user113769 Because active military defense is one of the ways you prevent wars.
– Misha R
10 hours ago
|
show 1 more comment
3 Answers
3
active
oldest
votes
People wear out
Bodies are bodies; they decline after a certain age and eventually fail for some reason or another. The machines can't change that, and given humans' relatively fecund nature, they have no driving reason to.
Maybe being sealed into a support coffin slightly lowers life expectancy. Maybe is increases it. But the humans are going to die eventually no matter what.
To run with the battery analogy, batteries wear out. After some number of recharges, their ability to hold a charge gets less, and your four-year-old cell phone has half the battery life that it had when new. Time to recycle!
People would notice, and be bothered by, the lack of death
The architect describes the Paradise Matrix:
[it] simulated a perfect world with no suffering to try to pacify
their minds, but the human minds did not accept this version. Many of
those connected died, and a Nightmare Matrix was designed in its place
that tried to correct its flaws.
Accordingly, even if there was no need for War, the Nightmare Matrix that we see must have War, and Famine, and Conquest, and especially Death. Humans would notice. Humans would be uneasy. Humans would fail.
Men... Men are weak.
add a comment |
The first matrix did not allow that.
First quote is from Smith, second from Architect.
Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world where none suffered, where everyone would be happy? It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed that we lacked the programming language to describe your "perfect world". But I believe that, as a species, human beings define their reality through misery and suffering. So the perfect world was a dream that your primitive cerebrum kept trying to wake up from.
The first Matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect; it was a work of art, flawless, sublime. A triumph equalled only by its monumental failure.
However, since large number of batteries rejected the program, it was redesigned not to be perfect.
The inevitability of its doom is apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being. Thus I redesigned it, based on your history, to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature.
Human nature, according to the architect, has grotesqueries that includes war and loss. Even though this design failed as well. The Oracle was created to better understand human nature. However, even the Oracle did not remove war and loss. While there is no direct quotation to support it, it is immediately deducible that Oracle find these aspects useful as well.
Long story short, Matrix was redesigned in a way that most of the batteries accepted the program. Loss of a few crops was acceptable as long as the majority did not revolt against it.
add a comment |
While the other two answers correctly address the point about the need for an "imperfect" world stated in the movies, I think there might be a different approach related to your question: you say that dying in the Matrix means dying in the real world...
It's true the other way around, too
The machines need to consume humans to live; this means disconnecting them from the Matrix and swallowing them whole (as shown in one scene in the first movie I believe); this means killing them both in the real world AND inside the Matrix.
So, when the machines need energy, they need to disconnect as much humans as needed. They just "translate" it to the Matrix as those humans dying by whatever means neccesary.
Having a perfect world where no one suffers doesn't necessarily means no one dies. It might just mean everybody gets whatever they want whenever they want it, or maybe when someone died they were just replaced by somenone else. With an imperfect world, you have just more normal, natural ways of dying. Need a battery? Make someone sick or have an accident or just old. Need thousands of batteries? Cause a war or a terrorist attack here and there and cover your real worlds needs inside the simulation.
New contributor
7
I think you've misunderstood. The machines don't "eat" the human dead, they liquify them to make food for other humans.
– Valorum
7 hours ago
add a comment |
Your Answer
StackExchange.ready(function() {
var channelOptions = {
tags: "".split(" "),
id: "186"
};
initTagRenderer("".split(" "), "".split(" "), channelOptions);
StackExchange.using("externalEditor", function() {
// Have to fire editor after snippets, if snippets enabled
if (StackExchange.settings.snippets.snippetsEnabled) {
StackExchange.using("snippets", function() {
createEditor();
});
}
else {
createEditor();
}
});
function createEditor() {
StackExchange.prepareEditor({
heartbeatType: 'answer',
autoActivateHeartbeat: false,
convertImagesToLinks: false,
noModals: true,
showLowRepImageUploadWarning: true,
reputationToPostImages: null,
bindNavPrevention: true,
postfix: "",
imageUploader: {
brandingHtml: "Powered by u003ca class="icon-imgur-white" href="https://imgur.com/"u003eu003c/au003e",
contentPolicyHtml: "User contributions licensed under u003ca href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"u003ecc by-sa 3.0 with attribution requiredu003c/au003e u003ca href="https://stackoverflow.com/legal/content-policy"u003e(content policy)u003c/au003e",
allowUrls: true
},
noCode: true, onDemand: true,
discardSelector: ".discard-answer"
,immediatelyShowMarkdownHelp:true
});
}
});
user113769 is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
StackExchange.ready(
function () {
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fscifi.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f208599%2fwhy-is-death-allowed-in-the-matrix%23new-answer', 'question_page');
}
);
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
3 Answers
3
active
oldest
votes
3 Answers
3
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
People wear out
Bodies are bodies; they decline after a certain age and eventually fail for some reason or another. The machines can't change that, and given humans' relatively fecund nature, they have no driving reason to.
Maybe being sealed into a support coffin slightly lowers life expectancy. Maybe is increases it. But the humans are going to die eventually no matter what.
To run with the battery analogy, batteries wear out. After some number of recharges, their ability to hold a charge gets less, and your four-year-old cell phone has half the battery life that it had when new. Time to recycle!
People would notice, and be bothered by, the lack of death
The architect describes the Paradise Matrix:
[it] simulated a perfect world with no suffering to try to pacify
their minds, but the human minds did not accept this version. Many of
those connected died, and a Nightmare Matrix was designed in its place
that tried to correct its flaws.
Accordingly, even if there was no need for War, the Nightmare Matrix that we see must have War, and Famine, and Conquest, and especially Death. Humans would notice. Humans would be uneasy. Humans would fail.
Men... Men are weak.
add a comment |
People wear out
Bodies are bodies; they decline after a certain age and eventually fail for some reason or another. The machines can't change that, and given humans' relatively fecund nature, they have no driving reason to.
Maybe being sealed into a support coffin slightly lowers life expectancy. Maybe is increases it. But the humans are going to die eventually no matter what.
To run with the battery analogy, batteries wear out. After some number of recharges, their ability to hold a charge gets less, and your four-year-old cell phone has half the battery life that it had when new. Time to recycle!
People would notice, and be bothered by, the lack of death
The architect describes the Paradise Matrix:
[it] simulated a perfect world with no suffering to try to pacify
their minds, but the human minds did not accept this version. Many of
those connected died, and a Nightmare Matrix was designed in its place
that tried to correct its flaws.
Accordingly, even if there was no need for War, the Nightmare Matrix that we see must have War, and Famine, and Conquest, and especially Death. Humans would notice. Humans would be uneasy. Humans would fail.
Men... Men are weak.
add a comment |
People wear out
Bodies are bodies; they decline after a certain age and eventually fail for some reason or another. The machines can't change that, and given humans' relatively fecund nature, they have no driving reason to.
Maybe being sealed into a support coffin slightly lowers life expectancy. Maybe is increases it. But the humans are going to die eventually no matter what.
To run with the battery analogy, batteries wear out. After some number of recharges, their ability to hold a charge gets less, and your four-year-old cell phone has half the battery life that it had when new. Time to recycle!
People would notice, and be bothered by, the lack of death
The architect describes the Paradise Matrix:
[it] simulated a perfect world with no suffering to try to pacify
their minds, but the human minds did not accept this version. Many of
those connected died, and a Nightmare Matrix was designed in its place
that tried to correct its flaws.
Accordingly, even if there was no need for War, the Nightmare Matrix that we see must have War, and Famine, and Conquest, and especially Death. Humans would notice. Humans would be uneasy. Humans would fail.
Men... Men are weak.
People wear out
Bodies are bodies; they decline after a certain age and eventually fail for some reason or another. The machines can't change that, and given humans' relatively fecund nature, they have no driving reason to.
Maybe being sealed into a support coffin slightly lowers life expectancy. Maybe is increases it. But the humans are going to die eventually no matter what.
To run with the battery analogy, batteries wear out. After some number of recharges, their ability to hold a charge gets less, and your four-year-old cell phone has half the battery life that it had when new. Time to recycle!
People would notice, and be bothered by, the lack of death
The architect describes the Paradise Matrix:
[it] simulated a perfect world with no suffering to try to pacify
their minds, but the human minds did not accept this version. Many of
those connected died, and a Nightmare Matrix was designed in its place
that tried to correct its flaws.
Accordingly, even if there was no need for War, the Nightmare Matrix that we see must have War, and Famine, and Conquest, and especially Death. Humans would notice. Humans would be uneasy. Humans would fail.
Men... Men are weak.
answered 14 hours ago
gowenfawrgowenfawr
17.2k65074
17.2k65074
add a comment |
add a comment |
The first matrix did not allow that.
First quote is from Smith, second from Architect.
Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world where none suffered, where everyone would be happy? It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed that we lacked the programming language to describe your "perfect world". But I believe that, as a species, human beings define their reality through misery and suffering. So the perfect world was a dream that your primitive cerebrum kept trying to wake up from.
The first Matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect; it was a work of art, flawless, sublime. A triumph equalled only by its monumental failure.
However, since large number of batteries rejected the program, it was redesigned not to be perfect.
The inevitability of its doom is apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being. Thus I redesigned it, based on your history, to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature.
Human nature, according to the architect, has grotesqueries that includes war and loss. Even though this design failed as well. The Oracle was created to better understand human nature. However, even the Oracle did not remove war and loss. While there is no direct quotation to support it, it is immediately deducible that Oracle find these aspects useful as well.
Long story short, Matrix was redesigned in a way that most of the batteries accepted the program. Loss of a few crops was acceptable as long as the majority did not revolt against it.
add a comment |
The first matrix did not allow that.
First quote is from Smith, second from Architect.
Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world where none suffered, where everyone would be happy? It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed that we lacked the programming language to describe your "perfect world". But I believe that, as a species, human beings define their reality through misery and suffering. So the perfect world was a dream that your primitive cerebrum kept trying to wake up from.
The first Matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect; it was a work of art, flawless, sublime. A triumph equalled only by its monumental failure.
However, since large number of batteries rejected the program, it was redesigned not to be perfect.
The inevitability of its doom is apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being. Thus I redesigned it, based on your history, to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature.
Human nature, according to the architect, has grotesqueries that includes war and loss. Even though this design failed as well. The Oracle was created to better understand human nature. However, even the Oracle did not remove war and loss. While there is no direct quotation to support it, it is immediately deducible that Oracle find these aspects useful as well.
Long story short, Matrix was redesigned in a way that most of the batteries accepted the program. Loss of a few crops was acceptable as long as the majority did not revolt against it.
add a comment |
The first matrix did not allow that.
First quote is from Smith, second from Architect.
Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world where none suffered, where everyone would be happy? It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed that we lacked the programming language to describe your "perfect world". But I believe that, as a species, human beings define their reality through misery and suffering. So the perfect world was a dream that your primitive cerebrum kept trying to wake up from.
The first Matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect; it was a work of art, flawless, sublime. A triumph equalled only by its monumental failure.
However, since large number of batteries rejected the program, it was redesigned not to be perfect.
The inevitability of its doom is apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being. Thus I redesigned it, based on your history, to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature.
Human nature, according to the architect, has grotesqueries that includes war and loss. Even though this design failed as well. The Oracle was created to better understand human nature. However, even the Oracle did not remove war and loss. While there is no direct quotation to support it, it is immediately deducible that Oracle find these aspects useful as well.
Long story short, Matrix was redesigned in a way that most of the batteries accepted the program. Loss of a few crops was acceptable as long as the majority did not revolt against it.
The first matrix did not allow that.
First quote is from Smith, second from Architect.
Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world where none suffered, where everyone would be happy? It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed that we lacked the programming language to describe your "perfect world". But I believe that, as a species, human beings define their reality through misery and suffering. So the perfect world was a dream that your primitive cerebrum kept trying to wake up from.
The first Matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect; it was a work of art, flawless, sublime. A triumph equalled only by its monumental failure.
However, since large number of batteries rejected the program, it was redesigned not to be perfect.
The inevitability of its doom is apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being. Thus I redesigned it, based on your history, to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature.
Human nature, according to the architect, has grotesqueries that includes war and loss. Even though this design failed as well. The Oracle was created to better understand human nature. However, even the Oracle did not remove war and loss. While there is no direct quotation to support it, it is immediately deducible that Oracle find these aspects useful as well.
Long story short, Matrix was redesigned in a way that most of the batteries accepted the program. Loss of a few crops was acceptable as long as the majority did not revolt against it.
edited 5 hours ago
Malandy
531315
531315
answered 14 hours ago
C.KocaC.Koca
4,6731954
4,6731954
add a comment |
add a comment |
While the other two answers correctly address the point about the need for an "imperfect" world stated in the movies, I think there might be a different approach related to your question: you say that dying in the Matrix means dying in the real world...
It's true the other way around, too
The machines need to consume humans to live; this means disconnecting them from the Matrix and swallowing them whole (as shown in one scene in the first movie I believe); this means killing them both in the real world AND inside the Matrix.
So, when the machines need energy, they need to disconnect as much humans as needed. They just "translate" it to the Matrix as those humans dying by whatever means neccesary.
Having a perfect world where no one suffers doesn't necessarily means no one dies. It might just mean everybody gets whatever they want whenever they want it, or maybe when someone died they were just replaced by somenone else. With an imperfect world, you have just more normal, natural ways of dying. Need a battery? Make someone sick or have an accident or just old. Need thousands of batteries? Cause a war or a terrorist attack here and there and cover your real worlds needs inside the simulation.
New contributor
7
I think you've misunderstood. The machines don't "eat" the human dead, they liquify them to make food for other humans.
– Valorum
7 hours ago
add a comment |
While the other two answers correctly address the point about the need for an "imperfect" world stated in the movies, I think there might be a different approach related to your question: you say that dying in the Matrix means dying in the real world...
It's true the other way around, too
The machines need to consume humans to live; this means disconnecting them from the Matrix and swallowing them whole (as shown in one scene in the first movie I believe); this means killing them both in the real world AND inside the Matrix.
So, when the machines need energy, they need to disconnect as much humans as needed. They just "translate" it to the Matrix as those humans dying by whatever means neccesary.
Having a perfect world where no one suffers doesn't necessarily means no one dies. It might just mean everybody gets whatever they want whenever they want it, or maybe when someone died they were just replaced by somenone else. With an imperfect world, you have just more normal, natural ways of dying. Need a battery? Make someone sick or have an accident or just old. Need thousands of batteries? Cause a war or a terrorist attack here and there and cover your real worlds needs inside the simulation.
New contributor
7
I think you've misunderstood. The machines don't "eat" the human dead, they liquify them to make food for other humans.
– Valorum
7 hours ago
add a comment |
While the other two answers correctly address the point about the need for an "imperfect" world stated in the movies, I think there might be a different approach related to your question: you say that dying in the Matrix means dying in the real world...
It's true the other way around, too
The machines need to consume humans to live; this means disconnecting them from the Matrix and swallowing them whole (as shown in one scene in the first movie I believe); this means killing them both in the real world AND inside the Matrix.
So, when the machines need energy, they need to disconnect as much humans as needed. They just "translate" it to the Matrix as those humans dying by whatever means neccesary.
Having a perfect world where no one suffers doesn't necessarily means no one dies. It might just mean everybody gets whatever they want whenever they want it, or maybe when someone died they were just replaced by somenone else. With an imperfect world, you have just more normal, natural ways of dying. Need a battery? Make someone sick or have an accident or just old. Need thousands of batteries? Cause a war or a terrorist attack here and there and cover your real worlds needs inside the simulation.
New contributor
While the other two answers correctly address the point about the need for an "imperfect" world stated in the movies, I think there might be a different approach related to your question: you say that dying in the Matrix means dying in the real world...
It's true the other way around, too
The machines need to consume humans to live; this means disconnecting them from the Matrix and swallowing them whole (as shown in one scene in the first movie I believe); this means killing them both in the real world AND inside the Matrix.
So, when the machines need energy, they need to disconnect as much humans as needed. They just "translate" it to the Matrix as those humans dying by whatever means neccesary.
Having a perfect world where no one suffers doesn't necessarily means no one dies. It might just mean everybody gets whatever they want whenever they want it, or maybe when someone died they were just replaced by somenone else. With an imperfect world, you have just more normal, natural ways of dying. Need a battery? Make someone sick or have an accident or just old. Need thousands of batteries? Cause a war or a terrorist attack here and there and cover your real worlds needs inside the simulation.
New contributor
New contributor
answered 7 hours ago
Josh PartJosh Part
1091
1091
New contributor
New contributor
7
I think you've misunderstood. The machines don't "eat" the human dead, they liquify them to make food for other humans.
– Valorum
7 hours ago
add a comment |
7
I think you've misunderstood. The machines don't "eat" the human dead, they liquify them to make food for other humans.
– Valorum
7 hours ago
7
7
I think you've misunderstood. The machines don't "eat" the human dead, they liquify them to make food for other humans.
– Valorum
7 hours ago
I think you've misunderstood. The machines don't "eat" the human dead, they liquify them to make food for other humans.
– Valorum
7 hours ago
add a comment |
user113769 is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.
user113769 is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.
user113769 is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.
user113769 is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.
Thanks for contributing an answer to Science Fiction & Fantasy Stack Exchange!
- Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!
But avoid …
- Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.
- Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.
To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
StackExchange.ready(
function () {
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fscifi.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f208599%2fwhy-is-death-allowed-in-the-matrix%23new-answer', 'question_page');
}
);
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
2
There is no war inside the Matrix, as far as I'm aware. There are certainly a vanishingly small number of terrorists, but that's not the same thing
– Valorum
16 hours ago
1
then why the military helicopter and military complex? this means there is war. the world in the matrix (1990's) looks just like the real 1990's. Guns and gangs and drugs to boot. Why would the machines allow this?
– user113769
16 hours ago
You have to remember that Zion is a gigantic honeypot for malcontents and that The Matrix is designed to provide them with a series of escalating challenges ranging from local security, the police, the military and then finally Agents. It's only when The One arises that military buildings become accessible to the Zionese rebels.
– Valorum
16 hours ago
7
The matrix needs to feel real, otherwise people rebel and disbelieve in the fake reality, causing issues. I believe that there was a conversation in the movies that mentioned that the bots created a utopia like world, but it didn't take. In order for people to feel that it is real they would need wars and crime, and death would need to be permanent. My guess that over time the bots found the most efficient ratio of strife/death to peace to suit their needs.
– Robert Hanson
11 hours ago
user113769 Because active military defense is one of the ways you prevent wars.
– Misha R
10 hours ago